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He was impressive alright, but I think it all but proves that he needs soft ground to be at his best.
On top of that, we must ask the truly banal question of what did he beat? Although Time To Study is undeniably progressive, he still came into the race a 105 rated handicapper. Torcedor’s biggest threat on ratings, Raheen House, looked a blatant non stayer to me. I’ll be very surprised if anything in behind him today ever manages to compete in Group 1 staying races.
Having said all that, I know he is held in very high regard within the Harrington yard, and if the rain should fall in late June (unlikely), and he’s gifted an easy lead up front (even more unlikely), then 14/1 would indeed look big.
Really hoping that Vazirabad makes the trip over – him vs Order of St George looks tasty!
Worth noting that Rekindling will be staying in Australia and will NOT be coming over for this – I don’t know why he’s priced up with Betfair and PP, but he shouldn’t be.
He is better in small fields generally.
I backed him everytime he ran last year and i think he’s another underestimated horse.
Granted he had a bad run at meydan previous, but you could get 9/2 on the exchanges 35mins before the off VS 4yos who didnt have top 3yo form.
He was 20s for it last year, with as good form then. I also don’t think the 2m4 is ideal for his preferred runstyle either.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!I backed Stradivarius at 8/1 late last season. It’s not really my type of race but Gosden’s horse was one I noticed at 2YO as a potential decent prospect over a good trip.
It’s on the forum somewhere that I was investing.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
GT I know you’ve had a good bet on Stradivarius at 7/1 – is he still good value at 3/1 in your opinion or is there anything else worth backing in the race?
Is Vazirabad finally going to come over, Mtoto? If he runs 9/1 will look value. But the fact we don’t know if he’s going to run means it can’t be taken. Connections seem to avoid goings on the firm side of good. If running then chances are Stradivarius won’t be any shorter than 5/2.
If Vazirabad doesn’t come over and Magic Circle misses the race too, then 3/1 Stradivarius will probably look value. Ascot is the one course that doesn’t water much. If it does come up firm then may well look between the two favourites, both Order Of St George and Stradivarius may well shorten, although I do think Desert Skyline could improve given an extreme test.If it comes up on the soft side of good they’d be crazy not to run Magic Circle, but the owner has his own ideas about the game and suspect it’s his decision.
Torcedor would have a much better chance with give in the ground.
Will Idaho turn up? If he does and if consenting to show his best… has a chance.
Am not convinced Order Of St George would stay the trip in a truly run race on soft. I believe Stradivarius will act on soft and stay, but am sure many don’t; therefore he could drift on that surface.All in all, nothing looks big enough right now Mtoto. Just as well wait until knowing more about what the ground is likely to be.
Anyway, if they all turned up it would be the best quality Gold Cup for decades.
Value Is EverythingI backed Stradivarius at 8/1 late last season. It’s not really my type of race but Gosden’s horse was one I noticed at 2YO as a potential decent prospect over a good trip.
It’s on the forum somewhere that I was investing.
It’s on the other Ascot Gold Cup thread Steve
The bad news is I’m on at 10’s and none of mine have turned up thus far
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I’ve played Stradivarius here antepost
The way he won at York was superb I thought.
This looks a cracking Gold Cup.
Order Of St George (my saver), Stradivarius (my ante-post bet), Vazirabad (difficult to win with and possibly best suited by softer) all have form good enough to win an average renewal. Torcedor could yet improve (although ground’s also probably gone against him. Desert Skyline is the outsider I like, loves the ground and everything about David Elsworth’s horse screams stamina! May improve for this extreme trip.
Value Is EverythingA race to watch for me.
Torcedor has been a favourite of mine since with Wachman, however, i don’t think 2m4 is his ideal trip and the ground might not be ideal either.
Stadivarius looked great last time + is the obvious improver, however, i do not like his price currently, he’s beat Desert Skyline a decent staying prospect well in receipt of 3pds….
OOSG has ground concerns as well, along with Vazirabad.
Great race to watch!
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!I think you better change your wording (GT) that ‘vaz’ is difficult to win with as he is 15/22 on turf. Yes he has his quirks but does win more than enough.
For me OOSG to outstay Stradivarius who looked very quick at York.
Good luck
Stradivarius 15/8.
Young improver who will win if he stays. OOSG wants slower ground to be at this best and Vazirabad is a bit of a dog if he needs to battle.
4:20 – Ascot Gold Cup (Group 1)
What a race! As flat racing goes, this is just brilliant. French champion stayer Vazirabad finally comes over to take on superstar Order of St George and rising star STRADIVARIUS (15/8). Vazirabad has a potent turn of foot for a stayer which is a huge positive for a race like this but he may have wanted a bit of rain. The same can be said for previous champion Order of St George who bids to regain his crown he narrowly lost last year by a nostril. The O’Brien star can cope with various trips and has a huge engine. He will be doing his best work at the finish as he has so often done at Ascot with a rattling finish. His victory on soft ground on Champions day last season was stunning as he had very little chance it seemed with two furlongs to run before nabbing Torcedor on the line. Torcedor goes here having looked good in the Sagaro earlier this season and is a solid each way play at a nice price. Stradivarius was a running on third that day on ground softer than he would have wanted which highlights his ability. The firmer surface plays to last year’s Queen’s Vase winner at this meeting and he must go close if running to form. He’s still improving based on his close run in last year’s St Leger and his reappearance when devouring a good field with plenty in hand.1st – Stradivarius -15/5
2nd – Order of St George 15/8
3rd – Torcedor 11/12/1 for Order Of St George looks the value here against 15/8 about Stradivarius who has a stamina question to answer. I really do think he’ll win though, he’s been trained to the wire for this and should just have too much class for them late on.
Order Of St George 2/1
not played in the race, but honestly cannot wait to watch it, this is what a great sport is all about
GL to those who play
I think you better change your wording (GT) that ‘vaz’ is difficult to win with as he is 15/22 on turf. Yes he has his quirks but does win more than enough.
Yes Vaz wins often nwalton, but he should because in France (and Meydan when raced there) he’s the stand out stayer. Needs to be held up and can think he’s done enough if in front too early – needs to lead fairly close home. Which all means can sometimes find the run of the race going against him and places extra importance in the jockey’s judgement. ie Difficult to win with – two defeats of last three – but Soummie usually does a good job though.
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