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  • #504271
    stevecautionstevecaution
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    Oh Dear, Josses Hill turned over at odds on today and Henderson had another odds on shot beaten earlier.

    Un De Sceaux as short as 1/2 now and Josses out to 14/1.

    Says it all that Vautour is 2nd favourite for this now!!

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #504272
    KingSprinterSacreKingSprinterSacre
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    I told ye’s lads he cant jump. Imagine if he was asked to go Un de Sceaux pace. Back over hurdles for him

    #504275
    Shack1Shack1
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    Eye-ore :D

    #504281
    stevecautionstevecaution
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    Nicky Henderson seems optimistic still:-

    Nicky Henderson said the two-mile chase was still on the cards.

    "Barry is definitely not ruling out the Arkle and he’s got to ride him. He does believe in the horse.

    "We had to race somewhere and he’ll be better with a right good gallop over two miles and then we can let him go.

    "Barry said if he’d won by a neck he’d have been delighted and we’ve only been beaten a length.

    "He’s learning. What happened at the ditch [when he took off too early] unsettled him and it took him three or four fences to recover."

    I am sure those who waded in at 1/2 today will take great comfort from this :roll:

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #504286
    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    JH obviously has a jump in him, but he seems afraid of getting himself on the floor. If he were mine, the Festival is the last place he’d be going at this stage; it could damage his already fragile confidence beyond repair.

    They ought to find a few races over easy, soft fences and teach him there’s nothing to fear. Festival next would be like sending a nervous learner driver into the Rome rush hour.

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

    #504316
    stevecautionstevecaution
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    JH obviously has a jump in him, but he seems afraid of getting himself on the floor. If he were mine, the Festival is the last place he’d be going at this stage; it could damage his already fragile confidence beyond repair.

    They ought to find a few races over easy, soft fences and teach him there’s nothing to fear. Festival next would be like sending a nervous learner driver into the Rome rush hour.

    I think Nicky Henderson is trying to take a positive from today’s race that just simply isn’t there.

    All this nonsense about being delighted had Josses Hill won by a neck is smoke and mirrors in my opinion.

    The horse was 1/2 and getting 11 lb from the winner. He had to go out there and blitz that field to be a realistic Arkle contender.

    Trying to keep tabs with Un De Sceaux at Cheltenham could be a recipe for disaster as you say Joe.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #504324
    Shack1Shack1
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    Should keep him for Aintree.

    #504454
    The Ante-Post KingThe Ante-Post King
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    There’s way too many imponderables regarding both ‘Un Des Sceaux’ and ‘Vatour’ for me to commit to either as serious Ante-Post players for the Arkle so I’ve gone elsewhere.The Mullins horses trade at silly odds for this 5/2 and 5/1 respectively when we really dont know which will turn up and having seen both this year there’s a black mark against both.My selections been called a few names but not by me,he’s a horse I’ve always had a soft spot for and even though he finishes 2nd more times than he wins I believe he is a horse who just needed time mentally for the penny to drop.This fellow is a proper 2 miler,he travels jumps and now can battle.Ladbrokes have taken my £100 e/w at 20/1 this morning for the Arkle,they will wish they haven’t come March! 8)
    Oh yeh the horse is called

    Vibrato Valtat

    by the way.

    Bring on my pacemaker ‘Un des Sceaux’ to set it up for us…Lovely! My lad will sprint away from the Irish Wonder horse Oh Yeh!TAPK knows! 8)

    #504493
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    There’s way too many imponderables regarding both ‘Un Des Sceaux’ and ‘Vatour’ for me to commit to either as serious Ante-Post players for the Arkle so I’ve gone elsewhere.The Mullins horses trade at silly odds for this 5/2 and 5/1 respectively when we really dont know which will turn up and having seen both this year there’s a black mark against both.My selections been called a few names but not by me,he’s a horse I’ve always had a soft spot for and even though he finishes 2nd more times than he wins I believe he is a horse who just needed time mentally for the penny to drop.This fellow is a proper 2 miler,he travels jumps and now can battle.Ladbrokes have taken my £100 e/w at 20/1 this morning for the Arkle,they will wish they haven’t come March! 8)
    Oh yeh the horse is called

    Vibrato Valtat

    by the way.

    Bring on my pacemaker ‘Un des Sceaux’ to set it up for us…Lovely! My lad will sprint away from the Irish Wonder horse Oh Yeh!TAPK knows! 8)

    The way they are falling like flies, this could be a small and uncompetitive affair. Decent bet win or lose Gord, I don’t really fancy him but the opposition is thin on the ground. Could be a nice bit of foresight there. Good luck with him.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #504515
    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    TAPK still reigns – that’s a great bet. I think Warwick’s the trickiest track in the country for novice chasers. The fact that VV was far from perfect at a few and still won with his head in his chest says an awful lot. He’ll give the Irish horse a race for sure. Good luck, my friend.

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

    #504527
    thehorsesmouththehorsesmouth
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    Been doing a bit of study on the Arkle market this morning, and there’s huge value in the place book.

    The over-round for the place book on the top 15 horses in the betting on Oddschecker (right down to Sizing Granite at 40/1) is almost exactly 300%.

    However, there a number of horses who are unlikely to run, on the back of yesterday’s events.

    Take out Vautour (surely goes JLT now), Gilgamboa (likewise), Ptit Zig, Apache Stronghold and one of Court Minstrel and Gitane Du Berlais and the place book stands at 213.5%. I think I’ve probably taken an optimistic view on the number of runners, and have no idea if the likes of Grumeti and Sizing Granite will run.

    So what is going to run? Clarcam will probably go here regardless of yesterday’s thrashing as he looks best suited to this trip and and the Grand Annual won’t appeal off 156. Josses Hill another who should run, as will Vibratot Valtat and Sgt Reckless.

    It’s the latter two who appeal each-way at 20/1 and 25/1 respectively.

    Very happy with these after this weekend’s events. Vibrato Valtat looked good today and was more impressive than I hoped he’d be. Sgt Reckless still a good bet at 20/1 imo.

    As others have said Un De Sceaux looks a star and the rest are running for second if he stands up, but a place from either of these two will do for me.

    #504603
    couteau
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    Knocking bet, TAPK. I was suitably impressed with him yesterday, but do you honestly believe he will even get UDS off the bridle? Vibrato Valtat was rated 21lbs interior to UDS over timber – but you would be happy if you’re holding a tasty ew voucher, as they’ll probably be no more than 7 runners in the Arkle.

    Not wanting to piss on your chips but VV is fruitless from 3 trips to Prestbury. Best of luck with the bet though.

    #504607
    IBRacingIBRacing
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    Knocking bet, TAPK. I was suitably impressed with him yesterday, but do you honestly believe he will even get UDS off the bridle? Vibrato Valtat was rated 21lbs interior to UDS over timber – but you would be happy if you’re holding a tasty ew voucher, as they’ll probably be no more than 7 runners in the Arkle.

    Not wanting to piss on your chips but VV is fruitless from 3 trips to Prestbury. Best of luck with the bet though.

    Un De Seaux has been winning soft ground races with no real pressure on him and with a relatively easy lead. There are a couple of races he has won by under a length which suggest he is not the greatest horse in the history of 2m chasing and that is enough for me to take him on at Cheltenham at the prices. If he’s a 170 horse and wins at Cheltenham then fine, too good, but until he proves it I’ll take him on.

    #504608
    couteau
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    Totally agree on value grounds, IBRacing, about UDS being remotely a betting proposition. I don’t by the easy lead part though as no other horse has the cruising speed to go with him and if they do the likelihood is that they’ll drop like a stone when it comes to the business end.

    #504611
    IBRacingIBRacing
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