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Looks like Sleepy Hollow handicappers were impressed by Sizing Europe
The way he powered eight lengths clear of Hardy Eustace marks him down as a top-class performer and he now heads the Timeform ratings for two-mile hurdlers
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Sizing Europe – 166 – 27/01/2008
FOF – nothing wrong with having an opinion mate, the lively debate is great.
Now, as for your CH book……
I do think it will be nearer 4/1 SE, Osanna and Sublimity on the day.
I think Osanna has the biggest potential to drift – can he really make ALL the running? (does he have to?)
Agreed – it is a bit of a minefield trying to predict the market – good fun though.
Do peeps think SE is nailed on to be favourite on the day?
Hmmmm….people like a Champion…and Sublimity has proved it…though I know we can crab the form/say it was a weak CH last year etc…
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Looks like Sleepy Hollow handicappers were impressed by Sizing Europe
The way he powered eight lengths clear of Hardy Eustace marks him down as a top-class performer and he now heads the Timeform ratings for two-mile hurdlers
Been scratching my head all week about this result?
Either Hardy Eustace & Al Eile ran well below form, or Lounaos found about a stone from somewhere? Having gone through her form again, and bearing in mind her propensity for soft ground, I am now reasonably convinced that the latter is the case, and Sizing Europe’s win was every bit as impressive form wise as it was visually.
Make of it what you will but, on the evidence so far, I would say he is one of the bankers for this year’s festival.i will be keeping an eye on Blythe Knight price for this years Champion Hurdle, at start of season i was going to back him, but looking at how well Sizing won on Sunday and the news about how well sublimity is doing at home i think it’s deffo between the two of these now……….i would have liked to have seen silent oscar have a run this season but he is prob better off watched unless some money comes for him….
Either Hardy Eustace & Al Eile ran well below form, or Lounaos found about a stone from somewhere?
FWIW reet
I had Lounaos on 140 before this years AIG
Cheers Marb glad to be here…….
your prob right but the ease in which he won last year leads me to believe he can do it again both need a strong pace which they will get, while sizing europe is a great galloper it’s sublimity that has the the change of gears… i will prob end up backing both of them and knowing my luck osana will beat them both
In the last 10 years at least only Hardy Eustace has won a CH without having won his previous start, and he came 2nd last time out.
I wouldn’t fancy Sublimity at all purely because of the above trend.
In the last 10 years at least only Hardy Eustace has won a CH without having won his previous start, and he came 2nd last time out.
I wouldn’t fancy Sublimity at all purely because of the above trend.
Sublimity was beaten 29 lengths at Punchestown prior to CH win, so there is nothing to say that feat cannot be repeated PC
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ignore that comment PC, i’m on wrong year here
serves me right i’ll get my coatTelling off new members with infactual information charlie!
This kinda stuff seems to be happening more regular marb. I need of a good check up and maybe the help of some drugs
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FWIW reet
I had Lounaos on 140 before this years AIG
I hear what you’re saying Charlie D but, assuming her best previous form was her 4th in the same race last year, she then received 19lb from HE and was 8l adrift of him, whereas this year it was only 7lb and 5l.
You could put some of that down to wfa, but no matter what the reason, it is still improvement of around a stone.
The official handicapper seems to agree also, as he has raised her from 135 to 149 after Sunday. (Sizing Europe has, incidentally, been raised from 143 to 167).reet, it could equally be down to deterioration in Hardy Eustace’s form over the minimum trip – something which, imo, seems much more likely than gobfuls of improvement from the mare.
I appear to be isolated on this issue, but I am absolutely certain that the AIG form has holes in it (though, I’ll concede, possibly not enough stop Sizing Europe in the Champion Hurdle).
Ta very much.
From trends and form Sizing Europe has got to have the best chance, but one i would fancy to potentially break the trend would be (if he goes) Jazz Messenger. Would in my opinion have definately finished in the 1st 2 in the xmas hurdle anyway but for a Carberry misjudgement in the back straight.
There are worse bets than 40’s (i am not an exchange user) for Jazz Messenger i think, does anyone know if Noel Meade is definately planning on sending him? Also, with Paul Carberry presumably riding Harchibald, does Mr Meade have a recognised Nr 2 jock or would it likely be "best of the rest"?
Ive had a small interest.
i will be keeping an eye on Blythe Knight price for this years Champion Hurdle, at start of season i was going to back him, but looking at how well Sizing won on Sunday and the news about how well sublimity is doing at home i think it’s deffo between the two of these now……….i would have liked to have seen silent oscar have a run this season but he is prob better off watched unless some money comes for him….
Those around him backed him months ago Batman at 40/1,wouldn’t expect there will be much price change unless he and Osana run in the Kingwell and he wins….but the race is only an option and everything would need to be right for him as he wouldn’t have to run it to be 100% on the day……. he may go straight for the Champion Hurdle……….I’d be checking the skies before having any sort of substantial bet on him. If the ground is bad oh!! oh!!
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reet, it could equally be down to deterioration in Hardy Eustace’s form over the minimum trip – something which, imo, seems much more likely than gobfuls of improvement from the mare.
I appear to be isolated on this issue, but I am absolutely certain that the AIG form has holes in it (though, I’ll concede, possibly not enough stop Sizing Europe in the Champion Hurdle).
Grassy
I thought so too intially, and it was only a gut feeling that made me persevere, but there are good grounds for thinking otherwise.
Not something I’d put on an open forum, but I will pm you shortly.FWIW reet
I had Lounaos on 140 before this years AIG
I hear what you’re saying Charlie D but, assuming her best previous form was her 4th in the same race last year, she then received 19lb from HE and was 8l adrift of him, whereas this year it was only 7lb and 5l.
You could put some of that down to wfa, but no matter what the reason, it is still improvement of around a stone.
The official handicapper seems to agree also, as he has raised her from 135 to 149 after Sunday. (Sizing Europe has, incidentally, been raised from 143 to 167).Surely you are putting way too much emphasis on where she finished reet?
There’s a big difference between the distance a moderate horse will finish behind another depending on the way a race is run. Hardy Eustace and AE were beaten horses a long way from home and were making heavy weather of thing whereas she was never really in the race. It much easier to catch up and even pass a beaten horse than it is a wining one. A strategy Paul Kelleway used on the flat when he got all those monkeys placed 3rd in 4, 5 and 6 runner Group races to be able to put in the sales books…
the only hole in the AIG form is he really didn’t beat much in the same way Sublimity didn’t beat much in the CH… I think HE and all around him have been over rated horses for along time there just wasn’t anything else good enough to expose them…well I guess Sublimity but he wins nothing at Chelteneham any way……to me there’s only one young pretender and it’s Sublimty who is vastly over rated for winning a crap CH…Seems anything wins the Ch they just slap a 170 or thereabouts on him….the fact is the horse he beat was under the cosh and the writing was on the wall at the 3rd last……The up and coming horses will all beat Sublimity mark my words and those ratings wont be worth the paper they are written on.
HE can be used as a yardstick Sublimity beat a very tired and exhausted He by a very unimpressive 4 length margin…(got there then nearly died himself and was going knowhere fast)…SE annihilated him and let down would have beaten him out of sight…….on that Sublimity will have to have improved 10lbs to win again in my book….I know I don’t have a book but I might get one
I am curious help me if you can please: what will happen to Sublimity’s 170 rating after the CH if he gets stuffed by SE ?
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FoF
Wtf are you banging on about?
I already said that Sizing Europe looks a banker, didn’t I?
serves me right 
i’ll get my coat
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