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Aidan, surely you can’t deny that Peeress had to be basically pulled up to stop her from being brought down.
I think that the rules concerning the result of the race are fair. The placings should be amended only if they would have turned out differently without interference. It’s impossible to be sure that Court Masterpiece would have won with a clear passage.
I don’t believe that Ad Valorem should lose the race as a punishment for his jockey’s actions. Backers and connections of the horse would be entitled to feel very aggrieved if that happened.
If M Kinane doesn’t snatch Peeress up, Spencer and Court Masterpiece go through rail
I wondered if people would be saying horse/jockey should keep race, the interference rules are fine, if that would have happened
(Edited by empty wallet at 9:08 am on June 21, 2006)
Can only agree with (nearly) everyone here. I didnt have a bet but was astonished that he kept the race. This is poor stuff by the stewards and authorities.
But what if it had been an apprentice riding for a small stable?
Fallon is ruthless and a winner.
I feel that the other jocks are intimidated by him.
There could have been very serious consequences to his actions yesterday.
How long a ban would stop him behaving like that in future?
Colin
I don’t agree. I think that the authorities should lean, in the interests of the punters and owners who fund the sport, towards awarding races to deserving winners. If they are to overturn results, they should have to be sure that the horse getting the race would have won without interference. You cannot decide that, with certainty, about Court Masterpiece.
However, if I were Ed Dunlop or Jamie Spencer, I would have found Aidan O’Brien’s post-race comments very irritating.
The stewards interpreted the rules as they stand and can do no more than that, thats why he was only 1.25 to lose the race.<br>Stoute said in a post race interview that the best horse won
I think the irony of Stoue’s reply was lost on the reporter.Alternatively it’s not the most ignorant thing to say as a Coolmore franchisee.
Although my impression in running was that AV should have been chucked out, watching the re-run I think the stewards interpreted the rules correctly.  AV was pulling away again, and probably was the best horse on the day. ÂÂÂ
The stewards have to give the benefit of the doubt to the actual winner – a horse cannot be disqualified even for serious interferance if he did not improve his placing as a result. ÂÂÂ
The British and Irish rules are the fairest in the world, in that they are flexible (able to punish the jockey but not the horse) – which does sometimes mean they can be too lenient.  However, having been working recently with German racing, where results are amended, and then often reversed on appeal, with astonishing frequency, I think leniency is better that draconian measures.
Maybe, as well as a ban, the jockey should be fined their percentage to be given as compensation to his victims? ÂÂÂ
If he was half a length up as Aidan suggests and can be seen from the video surely Fallon must realise that going across Peeress is going to result in her being practically pulled up.<br> <br>Poor show from the stewards.
Aidan, surely you can’t deny that Peeress had to be basically pulled up to stop her from being brought down.
There is no doubt Peeress was interferred with….but she was not the best horse on the day….not even the second best horse on the day. Where she finished (third) reflects how good she was during the day.
Yes she was interferred with but that is why Fallon got the ban. In my opinion Court Masterpiece was the second best horse on the day and his placing (second) reflects that. If Court Masterpiece deserved to win (which in my opinion he didnt, same as the stewards and Mr Stoute felt) then Ad Valorem should have been removed or demoted.
Fallon was reckless yes…..hence he got the ban that rules him out of the Irish Derby weekend….but did the best horse win….more than likely.
Do people want the farce that was Powerscourt being demoted in USA or Yashood in France?? No thanks…
(Edited by Aidan at 12:20 pm on June 21, 2006)
The best horse won so he shouldn’t lose it. Was Fallon careless by letting him drift, yes he was. Right decision made.
It’s interesting that when the rules were changed 2 or 3 years ago the bookies over here started paying out "first past the post." Nowadays no horse ever loses the race in the stewards room.<br>I’m only surprised that Micky Jo didn’t punch Fallon on the nose!
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysQuote: from Aidan on 12:16 pm on June 21, 2006[br]There is no doubt Peeress was interferred with….but she was not the best horse on the day….not even the second best horse on the day. Where she finished (third) reflects how good she was during the day.
Yes she was interferred with but that is why Fallon got the ban. In my opinion Court Masterpiece was the second best horse on the day and his placing (second) reflects that. If Court Masterpiece deserved to win (which in my opinion he didnt, same as the stewards and Mr Stoute felt) then Ad Valorem should have been removed or demoted.
Fallon was reckless yes…..hence he got the ban that rules him out of the Irish Derby weekend….but did the best horse win….more than likely.
Do people want the farce that was Powerscourt being demoted in USA or Yashood in France?? No thanks…
(Edited by Aidan at 12:20 pm on June 21, 2006)<br>
Actually Peeress was 4th and the extra place cost her owners €13,500 (peanuts to them but nonetheless)
As far as I am aware, Fallon will be entitled to apply to the relevant authorities in order that he be allowed ride on Irish Derby Day because there is a Gr1 race on that day. (I actually thought that he could only get this if the ban was 1-2 days but I heard this one the news yesterday)
Hence my point about his ban ONLY applying on Gr1 days being relevant. For a jockey like Fallon (or Dettori, Kinane, Murtagh, or the other big names), a ban on a non-Gr1 day is a nothing ban. Gr1 wins are what they are about.
It’s the equivalent of a Premiership player being sent off and only having to serve his ban in Coca-Cola cup matches or friendlies!
Aidan,
The problem with the rules as they stand at the moment is that there is little , if any, deterrent to stop jockeys doing what Fallon did yesterday. That is to deliberately allow your horse to drift into your challengers with the idea of at least intimidating them. McCoy is another master of this black art.
I should have added that I thought Ad Volerem was the best horse on the day and that there was no real need for Fallon to carry out that manoeuvre.
Colin
(Edited by seabird at 1:53 pm on June 21, 2006)
Quote: from Aidan on 12:16 pm on June 21, 2006[br]
Do people want the farce that was Powerscourt being demoted in USA or Yashood in France?? No thanks…
Aidan, bad riding cost Powerscourt the race not the American rules
Fallon had no problem winning it last year or keeping the horse on a true line and not interfering with any other horse
Did he?
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