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  • #2759
    beauzam
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    "He was a clear cut winner and won very much on merit," said O’Brien. So much so that it had to be pointed out to us.Further woefully amatuerish stewarding.

    #73195
    Irish Stamp
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    Any other country and he’d have been thrown out, Fallon didn’t even have his whip in the right hand.

    #73196
    FlatSeasonLover
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    Irish Fallon switched his whip hand for some reason and caused clear interference. That would have swayed for me if I was a steward.

    #73197
    Irish Stamp
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    Didn’t see that FSL but it should have been in his left hand, the fact that Peeress had to as good as pulled up would have swung it for me.

    #73198
    The Market Man
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    I think the horse was very lucky to keep the race. I would’ve been very unhappy if I’d backed Court Masterpiece whos run was checked at the just the wrong time.

    #73199
    apracing
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    <br>Call me cynical, but I reckon it was deliberate (and no I didn’t have a bet on the race).

    Nor am I having a specific dig at Fallon or Coolmore, since I believe this is now a pattern in big races. The jockeys know that the chances of being disqualified are almost zero and are happy to take their chances on a ban in order to win a Group race.

    To watch the senior offical responsible for the interpretation of the rules say on BBC – ‘he was an easy winner, so I expect he’ll keep the race’ – leaves me despairing for the state of the game in Britain. Of course he was an easy winner – he put his two closest rivals over the rails!

    When my horses run in future, should I instruct the jockeys to get in front and then hang across any rival that tries to pass?

    AP

    #73200
    The Market Man
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    Quote: from apracing on 10:00 pm on June 20, 2006[br]

    <br>To watch the senior offical responsible for the interpretation of the rules say on BBC – ‘he was an easy winner, so I expect he’ll keep the race’ – leaves me despairing for the state of the game in Britain.

    <br>Agree. If that’s his genuine opinion he is clueless. Yes the winner won by a couple of lengths but he gained that in stopping the other two especially the third who’s challenge was stopped just as he was about to draw level.

    Gives you no confidence in stewards whatsoever.

    Also agree that Fallon knew exactly what he was doing. In saying that you can’t blame him, it’s his job to win races.

    #73201
    davidbrady
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    Jus watched the replay on ATR. How he kept the race is beyond me. Peeress’ backers can feel very agrieved. She was lucky not to have been brought down.

    #73202
    IRSHEYEZ
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    It’s really hard to find a median on stewardship anywhere in the world at the minute. In America and France the stewards are very harsh especially in America if u cause any interference at all you are booted out str8 away. One of two bad decisions was Powerscourt in the Arlington Miilion 2 years ago when He won the race by 4 lengths and was booted out. The other bad decision was Mick Channon’s Yasdood in France last year how he lost the race was a disgrace and think the french still havent got over the gold cup winner they had thrown out. Britain and Ireland are too laid back especially in big races, all i want to see is consistency whether its a tin pot race or the derby the rules shud be the same.

    #73203
    empty wallet
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    Quote: from apracing on 10:00 pm on June 20, 2006[br]Call me cynical, but I reckon it was deliberate

    Tend to agree AP

    The jockeys know that the chances of being disqualified are almost zero and are happy to take their chances on a ban in order to win a Group race.

    Correct and it’s not only in Group races where it occurs, it seems to me that jockeys can literally do anything and know the the most they’ll get is a few days ban

    It’s time we had Professional stewarding and American rules imo

    (Edited by empty wallet at 10:22 pm on June 20, 2006)

    #73204
    FlatSeasonLover
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    From a technical point of view, if the horse was running in a straight line why change your whip hand?

    #73205
    apracing
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    <br>FSL,

    Because you’ve just had a quick look at the thoughtfully placed big screen and spotted that Spencer has switched inside to make his challenge?

    AP

    #73206
    FlatSeasonLover
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    I’m not a cynic normally AP but I have to agree, he knew he was in trouble and took the necessary steps to hold on to the race.

    #73207
    davidbrady
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    The ban should be amended so that EACH day of the ban MUST have at least one race which is at least at the same level as the race in which the ban was incurred.

    In other words, if the ban is incurred in a Gr3 race and a 4 day ban is the norm, then ALL 4 days should be served on days where at least a Gr3 is being run. Arguably, the moratorium on Gr1 days could still stand, unless the ban was incurred on a Gr1 race obviously.

    Although at first glance, this looks unworkable because a separate register needs to be kept for every jockey and offence, in practice, it will only affect offences in Pattern races, as there is a class2 race virtually day so it should be business as usual for the lower level races.

    #73208
    Librettist
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    Would have to agree with the general consensus that he should’ve been chucked out. I was amazed that the result stood and if I had backed Court Masterpiece or Peeress i’d be a bit miffed.

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