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  • #1575102
    Avatar photoEx RubyLight
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    A great performance by the winner, but wasn’t that a false start or was the rest caught napping? Throughout the race as well…..

    #1575104
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    Snap!

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    #1575108
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    It is a joke. The starter at Chepstow yesterday called a false start when one horse might have got a length start in a 3m 6f chase on heavy ground. But this starter thought it was OK to gift the favourite six lengths start. A farce of a race.

    #1575114
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    Like I said on the simultaneous thread, I backed the winner but anyone who backed anything else is entitled to be unhappy.

    You will never see a better case for starting stalls in Jump racing!

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    #1575116
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    The starter in Ireland has to make sure that:
    a) the WP Mullins hotpot lines up on the inside
    b) it is off to a great start

    Nothing more required.

    #1575117
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    Yeah, should have been called a false start as KD lunged forward just a fraction before the starter dropped his flag, I don’t think it was the jockey specifically trying to poach a lead more a case of the horse wanting to get on with things, I vaguely remember him doing something of a similar nature at the start of the Supreme with Ruby too.

    That being said it wasn’t as if he went a mad gallop once he pinched that lead and Flooring Porter quickly reduced the lead so the other jockey’s had time to close the gap but none seemed overly concerned enough to even attempt to close up.

    #1575120
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    FWIW, ITV just about to debate it.

    #1575122
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    “I vaguely remember him doing something of a similar nature at the start of the Supreme with Ruby too.”

    Yes, he did. Walsh is on RTV today and said the horse caused a false start before the Supreme.

    Not totally convinced by the idea of stalls. They can cause their own problems. But the starts in jumps races are an issue and can have a huge influence over the whole race.

    #1575126
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    Anyone who backed Flooring Porter must be spitting acid.

    Will klassical Dream get disqualified? :unsure:

    #1575132
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    Can’t have stalls for jump races personally, especially for big field handicaps it just wouldn’t be practical – I don’t think we have enough incidents like this happening for it to be a problem that needs fixing, onus is on the jockeys to be alert and not assume the starter should have called a false start….a play to the whistle sort of thing I guess.

    #1575136
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    Luke Harvey was really the only one saying it should have been a false start.
    The others, I got the general opinion it was ‘one of those things’.
    Not sure I would be happy with one of those things, it should be it is or it isn’t, there should be no grey areas in between.
    If there’s a doubt, it should have been a false start and that advantage gained should have raised to the starter something wasn’t right.
    The other horses were starting back on their heels before they knew it.

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    Agree about play to the whistle.

    ITV’s analysis appears to show the starter looking down to press the button the moment Klassical Dream lurches forward. By the time the starter looked up and realised, I assume it was too late to call a false start because he had already pressed the button to release the tape.

    Townend knows he got lucky. He seems to be standing up in his irons a few yards after the start and half expecting it to be a no go.

    #1575159
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    Fair play to the starter. He called a false start in the bumper…

    #1575171
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    It’s curious how many trainers claim not to have seen a crucial part of a race when controversy surrounds the event. Willie Mullins declared that when this incident occurred he was, “behind a bush or a tree or something”.

    I’m assuming he was taking the piss.

    #1575173
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    Willie “Arsène” Mullins.

    #1575179
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    Or maybe taking a piss, if he was behind a tree? ;-)

    #1575184
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    Don’t think it made much difference to the rest of the field, who were well adrift, but definitely the winning of the race between the first two; both looked quite formidable, and the rematch will be worth watching

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