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Personally EC,
i can’t see the difference between someone posting Joe Bloggs is lay in the 7.15 at so and so and someone posting Aussie Rules looks good in the Guineas next week, both, in most cases will stimulate discussion from other members, and discussing horses/races/racing is what keeps a board like TRF going
<br>Carry on mate imo, if Daylight don’t like it, he’ll let you know;)
<br>(Edited by i’ll discuss horses with anyone at 11:28 pm on May 13, 2006)<br>
(Edited by empty wallet at 11:31 pm on May 13, 2006)
Quote: from EC on 11:02 pm on May 13, 2006[br]Don’t worry Wallace, there won’t be any more "tips" as you call them from me..most of the best threads here for a while have been about races involving such tips..but as I can see it doesn’t suit you then I must stop.
I wouldn’t want to ruin your board.
PS..threads about how folk are pro gamblers bores the arse of me..maybe posting in the "look how good I am section" might be better.
lmoa<br>
Is that comment supposed to be a dig at me?
Quote: from Wallace on 8:10 pm on May 13, 2006[br]Think you should give this tipping game a miss EC.  It clearly ain’t for you.
Going out on a limb posting tips (for money or ego points) imposes huge distractions on reasoned decision making and ends in tears for most.
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Ah now, Im going to back up E.C. here. I think he has done overall pretty well recently on his lays ….but if he hadnt, its still tremendously contributes to the bord. Its an awful lot of fun and certainly having the room full of "professionals" (not a dig at anybody) who have an income to make and wouldnt want to let their right hand know what their left was doing is crap all use to me or alot of other people here.
SHL
I have been impressed witth ur lays EC and u seem a decent fella but u seem to have something against some1 who classes themselves as a professional gambler?
Wallace, what is your problem?
EC has put up many good lays on this forum, but just because 2 have won in the last few days doesn’t mean he’s no good at it. With this Motoraqeb, I backed Montjeu Man and fully expected him to win. So why not slag me off as well?
If a tipping line throws 4 horses at you and only 3 of them win, are you going to start suing that tipster for loss of money? P!ss off are you.
Posting free tips in this section creates a great discussion, and it’s also a good way for people to learn things. I have learnt a lot about other people’s systems by reading his threads, and I’m very glad I have.
I also notice no comments of any of my successful threads, and as was said earlier, certainly no comments on any of EC’s successful threads.
Wallace, ‘mate’, you are a chancer – if EC or anybody else wants to put up a tip or lay (myself included), that is their business, and it’s their arses on the line seeing as nobody asked for the tip.
But we do it because we have faith in our ability, and because we enjoy and want to do it.
Wallace, could you give me a tip please? Any race will do. But the horse has to be above 3/1. I’m not having you tip up a 1/2 shot then start bragging about how you’re the dogs wotsits.
(I imagine now Wallace will conveniently have not logged in for the next few days, will miss this post and we won’t get our tip.)
Jackane
You do realise that all your lays were in effect odds on shots, especially that 1/7 shot in the Derby Trial.
On the general subject, I’m all for people posting threads that start debate. If the threads are interesting they’ll stay at the top, if not they’ll drop off. Rather kind of like natural selection really!:biggrin:
Primary was around 3/1 on BF, Areyoutalkingtome was sent off 4/7fav, Ivy Creek was 15/8, Mubtaker was around 1/2, Benjamin Franklin was sent off 2/1 and Hazeymm was sent off around 7/1.
I don’t understand your argument DJ. All of the above lost as I said they would do, and with the exception of Hazeymm, they were all 3/1 or less, a perfect lay.
They were all fav or 2nd with the exception of Hazeymm, so DJ, I REALLY don’t understand your argument.
Many of them were fancied runners, and in many of those races, I tipped the winner at the same time. Primary Lay – Papal Bull Back, Hazeymm Lay – Linda’s Lad Back, Mubtaker Lay – Whistling Teal – Back and Ivy Creek Lay – Art Deco Back.
Going on SP, if someone had laid all my selections and backed all my tips, since Wednesday, they would be around 103 quid in profit. so DJ, I REALLY, REALLY don’t understand your argument. And I think the Congrats of guys like Cormack, IRSHEYEZ, Trackside, etc show that they don’t agree with you either.
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Wallace does have a point!<br>One of the most attractive things about this forum, imo, is that it the place for the serious discussion of horse racing issues and the showpiece races, and as such, has so far attracted a more knowledgeable and erudite  membership, including professionals from all branches of the sport, than any other I am aware of.<br> Purely my opinion, but the recent drift towards a tipping forum, often discussing the most mundane races, detracts from its former gravitas, and has a deleterious effect on the larger issues.<br> There is a perfectly adequate place on the site for posting selections, separate from the general thread, and I fail to see why it isn’t used for that.<br> The last thing we, (I), want is another Betfair!:o
I think this is largely down to the General Discussion forum being far more popular and getting far more exposure than the Daily, Lays and Plays.
But in future I’ll be putting up any lays I have in the Daily Lays and Plays section to save any more bother or argument. I just think it was a bit petty the way Wallace put forward his ‘argument.’
I am firmly eating a LOT of Humble Pie over Aussie Rules if anybody wants to slag me off! I never EVER rated that horse, and am shocked to see the vast improvement. What a ride from Fallon.
I’m not interested in getting into slanging matches on here. This is by far the best racing discussion forum on the web and hope it stays that way. We are fortunate to have a number of well known punters & industry journalists reguarly posting here but I’m sure they would not continue to support this forum if it turned into a Betfair like mad house. Tipsters, rampers and spammers should go elsewhere and lets keep this place for sensible discussion on racing/betting issues.
There are sections on this forum for tipping, laying and systems which are not used very much. Perhaps the moderators could remind posters of this or transfer obvious tips and lay advices to the appropriate section. I have posted frequently on the systems section, which is very quiet at the moment and could probably do with some new or revamped ideas to stimulate interest again.
It’s a pity to see knowledgable forumites slagging each other off on any section of the forum, but I feel that this sort of thing isn’t done with any malice – just a bit of banter. If we were face to face, I don’t think it would end in a brawl.
How about we all go into the chatroom at say 8 o clock and forumities sort out there differences?
Quote: from jackane24 on 4:52 pm on May 14, 2006[
I don’t understand your argument DJ. All of the above lost as I said they would do, and with the exception of Hazeymm, they were all 3/1 or less, a perfect lay.
They were all fav or 2nd with the exception of Hazeymm, so DJ, I REALLY don’t understand your argument.
Jackane
I think what DJ means is that laying the odds is the reverse of betting them i.e laying at 7/1 has the same downside as betting at 1/7. A lay-stake of £10 at 7/1 has an upside of £10 and a downside of £70; a bet-stake of £70 at 1/7 also has an upside of £10 and a downside of £70.
So if you’re laying just one horse in a race (as opposed to trading or bookmaking) it makes as little sense laying it at 7/1 as it does betting at 1/7; the risk (downside) is out of all proportion to the reward (upside). In practice I’m sure you had no intention of laying at 7/1 (may well have justified a bet at those odds) anyway but DJ’s point is well made.
There’s many on here more qualified than I to discuss laying as I don’t walk that road; but nonetheless I’d recommend you emulate EC and concentrate on finding poor value favs at 2/1 or less where the risk/reward ratio is more balanced for laying purposes and look at the longer shots to bet.
As for these so-called ‘tipping’ threads well I’ve no problem with them as long as they’re accompanied by reasoning. I’m only interested to read what informed folk on this forum make of a horse and couldn’t give two hoots whether it wins or loses.
I haven’t had a bet on the Flat since last October but come the Royal Meeting and beyond I may join the melee and inflict my selections on the forum, here or wherver the powers that be decide they want them.<br>
I think EC’s contributions in recent weeks have been excellent. I didn’t see the threads he started as tips, just giving an opinion on a race he’s looked at and the reasons why.
I hope he continues and that a few more people (myself included) have the bottle to put their opinions up and the rationale behind their selections.
DJ, if Drone is explaining the point you were making, then I would like to apologise. Not for me putting up Hazeymm to lay, but i apologise for the RP’s forecast price of 11/4. THAT is why I put him up to lay.
Anybody can put up a 7/1 shot – but I saw the 11/4 and that is why I put him up.
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