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Do you think they would get stuck into Taj Mahal though? Surely the likes of Tabor would have more sense than that.
Taj Mahal is a good example of how breeding isn’t an exact science and the odd dud will slip through the net. He is bred to be exceptional but simply isn’t. Actually on the flip side, can someone name me a horse that had ordinary breeding and went on to win big races or a classic?
I think I right in saying that the great Brigadier Gerard was considered to have ordinary or at least ‘ unfashionable ‘ breeding.
Also wasn’t Treve unsold at the Yearling Sales with a pretty low reserve price?
Do you think they would get stuck into Taj Mahal though? Surely the likes of Tabor would have more sense than that.
Taj Mahal is a good example of how breeding isn’t an exact science and the odd dud will slip through the net. He is bred to be exceptional but simply isn’t. Actually on the flip side, can someone name me a horse that had ordinary breeding and went on to win big races or a classic?
Taj Mahal works very well at home, but he doesn’t translate it to the racecourse. That happens with a fair proportion of horses.
Do you think they would get stuck into Taj Mahal though? Surely the likes of Tabor would have more sense than that.
Taj Mahal is a good example of how breeding isn’t an exact science and the odd dud will slip through the net. He is bred to be exceptional but simply isn’t. Actually on the flip side, can someone name me a horse that had ordinary breeding and went on to win big races or a classic?
Taj Mahal works very well at home, but he doesn’t translate it to the racecourse. That happens with a fair proportion of horses.
That may well be the case but when you have seen a horse beaten four times as favourite, isn’t it a bit risky going in again?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I think I right in saying that the great Brigadier Gerard was considered to have ordinary or at least ‘ unfashionable ‘ breeding.
Also wasn’t Treve unsold at the Yearling Sales with a pretty low reserve price?
Off the top of my head I can’t remember Treve’s pedigree but it is fair comment in respect of the Brigadier Gerard. Of course he didn’t go on to be anything more than an average stallion although it is fair to say he wouldn’t have got anything like the book of mares that visited many champion sires. He did get some reasonable results to better mares, such as Leonardo Da Vinci (Lupe), Taxiarchos (Stilvi) and Light Cavalry (Glass Slipper).
I think if you had enough time you would find a number of Classic winners with less than brilliant pedigrees.
It is pretty obvious that if Fair Eva runs close to her Lowther form she should win with something in hand. There is a general assumption that she should improve for another furlong but at the odds I am quite happy to let her go and confirm that impression.
I would sooner go each-way Argenterie. After a promising start she landed her maiden without too much fuss and it would be a surprise if she isn’t able to improve again. Those behind haven’t done anything for the form but they were well beaten. Hopefully, there will be no change of tactics and she will try and dictate from the front. A slow pace would not help her cause.
As I said, I wasn’t touching Fair Eva at 11/10, far less the 4/9 she was today. I always emphasised that the Lowther wasn’t all about that race itself but what it might do afterwards. Others opined that Fair Eva would simply bounce back to her brilliant best.
Duffman had a bad feeling about it and Duffman is quite often proven correct. Charlton was told by jockeys, Charlton ignored them.
I have binned my Guineas ticket. The party is over.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Hugely disappointing by Fair Eva today and no excuses. The dreams for her are dead.
Apparently the bookmakers have ran out of champagne. What a joke this meeting has been for the punters. You may as well throw your form books on a bonfire and borrow Agnes Haddock’s pin.
It seems good to firm has suddenly become more dangerous than good to soft.
Hello there! First post in the forum, I’ve been reading it and it looks very interesting and with some insightful posters.
Very dissapointing from Fair Eva, no excuses and I doubt she will be a classics winner. However… I thought the winner was impressive (though I want to watch again the race).
It’s hardly surprising that some horses go “over the top” at this stage of the season. A good judge once told me he usually switches codes after the St Leger because the form goes. Maybe Fair Eva is a Spring/Early Summer filly, although the York form isn’t as bad as some believe. Looking back, everything was right for Fair Eva at Ascot, including trainer in magnificent form.
Value Is EverythingHello there! First post in the forum, I’ve been reading it and it looks very interesting and with some insightful posters.
Very dissapointing from Fair Eva, no excuses and I doubt she will be a classics winner. However… I thought the winner was impressive (though I want to watch again the race).
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Yes, the winner quickened up nicely but you only have to go back as far as the seemingly exposed third to cast huge doubts over the value of the form.
Welcome aboard.
Yes, the winner quickened up nicely but you only have to go back as far as the seemingly exposed third to cast huge doubts over the value of the form.
Seconded.
Value Is EverythingFair Eva should have gone to the Moyglare and then been put away for next season.
Connections ballsed it up big time and the filly went backwards.
“Go steady with her Roger” was ignored.
“She needs 7F now Roger” was ignored.
Excuses, excuses and excuses is the result but this filly won’t even run in the Guineas now in my opinion.
Young horses need placing correctly and Fair Eva wasn’t. 16/1 for the Guineas now makes zero appeal. Boylesports show her at 6/1, which is surely either laziness in changing it, or downright taking the piss.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Do you think they would get stuck into Taj Mahal though? Surely the likes of Tabor would have more sense than that.
Taj Mahal is a good example of how breeding isn’t an exact science and the odd dud will slip through the net. He is bred to be exceptional but simply isn’t. Actually on the flip side, can someone name me a horse that had ordinary breeding and went on to win big races or a classic?
Taj Mahal works very well at home, but he doesn’t translate it to the racecourse. That happens with a fair proportion of horses.
That may well be the case but when you have seen a horse beaten four times as favourite, isn’t it a bit risky going in again?
Well, Peeping Fawn took four attempts to break her maiden, and she was a short priced favourite on her 2nd, 3rd and fourth starts, look what she went on to do.
And still sticking with the same trainer, look what Cougar Mountain did today. Aidan has always said that he shows them a lot at home, and today he came good.
The penny is taking a while to drop with Taj Mahal, he is a particularly big babyish type, but who knows when the penny will drop, yesterday might have been the day. He might be best left til next year, when he grows into his frame, but they seem to be anxious to get a win into him, perhaps because they think he is good enough to have early season targets next year.Fair Eva should have gone to the Moyglare and then been put away for next season.
Connections ballsed it up big time and the filly went backwards.
“Go steady with her Roger” was ignored.
“She needs 7F now Roger” was ignored.
Excuses, excuses and excuses is the result but this filly won’t even run in the Guineas now in my opinion.
Young horses need placing correctly and Fair Eva wasn’t. 16/1 for the Guineas now makes zero appeal. Boylesports show her at 6/1, which is surely either laziness in changing it, or downright taking the piss.
She’s now run at 7f Steve, and did a lot worse than she did over 6f at York. What possible damage did running her at York do compared to what would’ve happened in Ireland? What is the evidence that had Fair Eva run in the Moyglare the same thing wouldn’t have happened?
Talking about “placing young horses correctly”, some two year olds are not up to travelling to other countries that early in their career or ever. Fair Eva is a Frankel and Sir Henry said he’d never run the Great horse in another country because of that very reason. Could it be Roger knew something you didn’t Steve?
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