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September 10, 2015 at 16:49 #1201871
Very Talented lived up to his name and Linguistic ran best of the rest. Humphrey Bogart also ran really well and was unlucky not to win that one but no each way value in either but they both will improve, well done Steve.
Nemoralia very exciting prospect though and saved the day for me..on to tomorrow perhaps better luck awaits. JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...September 10, 2015 at 17:42 #1201918Does anyone think that Humphrey Bogart with a proper jockey on would have one the big money race today ?
Slowly away and meandered around before getting headed, I think Hannon will need to get a proper man before the season ends as this Levy guy is not the finished article and before I start getting slagged off this is just my opinion.September 10, 2015 at 17:48 #1201921Tomorrow Doncaster 4.50 sees Haalick reappear, I saw him win his maiden at Haydock and it was extraordinary in that he was so coltish in the parade ring then was very reluctant to enter the stalls, blew the start completely then from a boxed in position sprinted clear to win easily.
Temperament may be his undoing but if they can sort him out then this is one serious racehorse.September 10, 2015 at 17:52 #1201926Levy is on 15% strike rate 208 rides compared to Dobbs 12% 379 rides. Levy usually gets the second string so not too bad, Dobbs only really taking first string since Hughes folded up his saddle. Other stable jock Cam Hardie is on 8%.
Who would you suggest Hannon gets Blue? Hughes retired, Moore injured, Doyle, Buick retained. I’d try and see if De Sousa would want the job, he’s riding out of his skin. Have the bookies paid out on him yet?Blackbeard to conquer the World
September 10, 2015 at 17:53 #1201927Very Talented lived up to his name and Linguistic ran best of the rest. Humphrey Bogart also ran really well and was unlucky not to win that one but no each way value in either but they both will improve, well done Steve.
Nemoralia very exciting prospect though and saved the day for me..on to tomorrow perhaps better luck awaits. JacIt was straight forward for Very Talented, nothing else really got into the race. The commentators seemed excited about the third horse making up into a good one, but with the margins between 1st and 2nd and 2nd and 3rd I’d really only be interested in the first two going forward.
The betting was ominous for Very Talented and against Fashaak, and it panned out exactly that way. I am doubting that Linguistic will be taking up his entries in either the Dewhurst or The Racing Post Trophy. It’s much more likely they will find another maiden and then leave it until next season. He would need to improve abnormally to be competitive in group 1 company this year.
Very Talented was different class here and is obviously progressive but it could be that he didn’t beat an awful lot today. It will be interesting to see where they go with him now that he’s got off the mark at the 3rd attempt.
When I saw Humphrey Bogart begin his run I thought he was going to win but Jamie Spencer conjured a telling burst from Mr Lupton and the writing was on the wall thereafter. Still, at 13/2 the value odds were identified and the bet allowed for a little profit, rather than a small loss at SP.
Jamie Spencer outclassed Sean Levey in the Stewards Enquiry and there was never any chance of Humphrey Bogart getting the race via the enquiry. My confidence in Humphrey died when I heard so many of the Channel 4 team were tipping him, with the cherry on the icing coming when the languid one gave him the nod as well.
I missed the conversation regarding Humphrey Bogart in the build up but the commentary team seemed to be going on about “Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn” quite a lot. That was actually a Clark Gable quote from Gone With The Wind, so I’m not sure where that one came from.
It was a par, rather than a birdie with Humphrey today, but at least it wasn’t a Bogey. Namesake Bogart is due out this week but he stank the last time I thought he held each-way claims.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
September 10, 2015 at 19:37 #1201993Nathan, I think SDS is the best around right now and why Godolphin binned him to me is a mystery, Sean Levy is a bookies dream riding for a top stable and Steve C., totally agree with you about the C4 team hamming up Humphrey Bogart, once ok but it went on and on and on……Cam Hardie is good but I’d like to see Christoph Soumillon come and ride here so if SDS is not signed for the Hannon machine then him.
September 10, 2015 at 20:57 #1202049The May Hill Stakes sees a very open looking renewal with several potential improvers and a mixed bag of some who have bits and pieces of good form, whilst not retaining the winning thread.
Godolphin are getting a good tune out of Mr Bin Suroor at the moment and his wide margin Kempton winner Pure Diamond is favourite here but too skinny for me at 2/1. Hawksmoor regained the winning thread narrowly last time and is second favourite here, she’s had three starts now and I’m not sure how far she will improve in her 4th race, so am passing at 5/1.
Jim Bolger sends Turret Rocks over and she won her maiden before then being placed in better races. The form of her second run hasn’t worked out well for the moment and Ballydoyle fans will be hoping for a good run here to boost the form of the Debutante Stakes, where Jim Bolger’s Filly was 4th to O’Brien’s 1000 Guineas ante-post favourite who runs on Sunday.
Richard Hannon has two with similar looking chances in Marenko and Light Up Our World, they have had a few goes each and sit very close in the betting. Sean Levey is on Marenko and Jim Crowley on Light Up Our World, so perhaps some will have theories on who is the better fancied filly based on the jockeys.
I would be sticking my neck out and hoping for improvement from the once raced Gypsy Eyes. Charlie Hills’ daughter was the less fancied of the Hills runners when winning her Newmarket maiden but she made all and ran out a promising winner on the day. As usual, the bare form is modest enough and leaves her with plenty to find but I feel she will be suited by the step up to a mile and hopefully she can go from the front again, stay out of trouble and take no prisoners. At 8/1 I think she is each-way value with enough fillies in the race who have been beaten and a favourite who won on the all weather last time. Three fillies from Gypsy Eyes maiden, including stable mate Sepal, have won since and that always helps confidence a little.
Gypsy Eyes 8/1 each-way 3.40 Doncaster
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
September 10, 2015 at 21:25 #1202071Tomorrow Doncaster 4.50 sees Haalick reappear, I saw him win his maiden at Haydock and it was extraordinary in that he was so coltish in the parade ring then was very reluctant to enter the stalls, blew the start completely then from a boxed in position sprinted clear to win easily.
Temperament may be his undoing but if they can sort him out then this is one serious racehorse.Haalick was quite astonishing last time. I thought I had put something on here about him but can’t find it now. Tons of things went wrong for him that day and he was a real eye-catcher.
The worry tomorrow is him bumping into the Gosden runner, and they have had seven winners in the last five days.
The other worry is why Haalick has been absent for ten weeks and his maiden win not working out great. The runner up was only 4th when 8/13f for a Salisbury maiden.
With Gosden’s runner short enough for the level of form he has shown so far and concerns about Haalick’s absence and antics last time, I would side with Wall Of Fire at 5/1 for Richard Hannon. He’s won his only start and seems sure to improve and while he has also been off for longer than ideal, seven weeks, I’ll take a chance that this son of Canford Cliffs can progress for experience and the extra furlong to close the 3lbs he is rated inferior to the Gosden colt on Racing Post Ratings.
Wall Of Fire 5/1 for me
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
September 10, 2015 at 21:25 #1202072Yes, tricky little race here which could go to any one of them but I wouldn’t rule out more improvement in Hawksmoor stepping up in trip.
She ran on so strongly at Goodwood when pipping Fireglow over 7f and I would be surprised if she struggled. The question I ask myself is, was it the soft ground that really gave her an edge?She has been backed, I managed to grab 7/1 e/w earlier but Paddy Power are still going 6’s for best price right now although 1/5 odds.
Pure Diamond is no price for this, I feel that has been influenced by Godolphin having won this race 4 times in the last 5 years.
September 11, 2015 at 08:24 #1202436With Hawksmoor a non runner I think Marenko could be a good each way bet, her run in the Solario was good as she wasn’t right first time up and she looks likely despite breeding to be help by the step up in trip and with the ground drying, I will be disappointed if she doesn’t place.
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September 11, 2015 at 10:08 #1202489Bear Cheek to be spanked by Gutaifan.
Top two year old Shalaa’s form is put to the test in the 1:55 Doncaster.
Gutaifan was 1 3/4 lengths behind Shalaa at Deauville; but he was also 5 lengths clear of the Group 1 Prix Morny field. In his previous race Gutaifan beat subsequent Gimcrack winner Ajaya in Prix Robert Papin.Bear Cheek’s 1 1/2 lengths defeat of Independence Day in Group 3 company gives him a good chance of winning an average Flying Childers, but this looks above average if the favourite runs to form. Gutaifan comes back to 5f here, but does not look short of speed.
Ornate the one disappointment for Haggas at York, beaten by front runner Shadow Hunter there. Prices of the two today a sign of how below form Ornate probably was and should not be under-estimated. However, it is Gutaifan who looks extremely good value and imo should be nearer odds-on than 2/1.
Value Is EverythingSeptember 11, 2015 at 11:30 #1202549Can’t Shadow Hunter continue her improvement ?
September 11, 2015 at 12:22 #1202568In the 4.50 Flying Scotsman it has to be Tashweeq today.
Saw Tashweeq scoring at Newmarket on the July Course a few weeks back, he looked very impressive in the paddock too (Photos posted on this thread) although a little on the big side and could have needed the race where he ran a little green (edging left) towards the finish but held on nicely to win.
He hasn’t won on anything firmer than Good to Soft yet but don’t think he would be running if that was a problem. JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...September 11, 2015 at 12:34 #1202572I thought Shadow Hunter was worth an each-way. She is 14/1 and it’s a race where several seem to have stalled in their progress. Gutaifan is miles ahead on form and his win from Ajaya looks the key piece of form that makes him a very worthy favourite. I just wonder after a few close races and a slightly disappointing season for the Hannon 2yo’s, whether he’ll be at his best today.
Bear Cheek could be anything and is bred to be fast, it may be unwise to underestimate her and she was the first pick for me when I looked at the entries. Sadly the field cut up by the time odds were quoted and she was only 3/1 and that wasn’t enough given the strong form of the favourite.
It looks like 5f and decent ground are what suits Shadow Hunter, she was third to one time Guineas favourite Lumiere over 6f on debut and it was soft when she dropped to 5f at Newbury next time. She was 33/1 when upsetting Ornate last time and runner up Rouleau went on to win the Gp 3 Sirenia at Kempton. At 14/1 she just seems a bit disregarded by the bookmakers.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
September 11, 2015 at 13:50 #1202632Can’t Shadow Hunter continue her improvement ?
Bit late now but:
Shadow Hunter has plenty of speed; if only there were four furlong races. Travelled well for a long way again today. York perfect for a horse of his qualities; sprint course is one of the quickest in the country, tending to help prominent runners, added to that a tail wind doing the same – Shadow Hunter in the best position. Also – for the first time – disputed the lead there, which may be important. Other horses likely to take him on today and did. Unless Shadow Hunter gets the same type of condititions/run as York doubt he’ll be able to reproduce that form. Given all that, 14/1 was probably a fair price, just imo wasn’t as good value as Ornate and in particular Gutaifan.Value Is EverythingSeptember 11, 2015 at 14:07 #1202647Gutaifan was the obvious one but had it been a 4f race today I don’t think he would have won. He keeps winning close races though and he looks pretty tough and consistent. This race tends to have little significance for the following season though and it seems ages since the late Green Desert won this back in 1985.
As was said, Shadow Hunter showed good pace but faded. The big disappointment for me was Bear Cheek, who had looked a speedy sort but just never had the pace at all today.
Log Out Island ran one of his better races since his excellent debut. Areen seems to have lost his way and trainer Kevin Ryan is out of sorts at the moment, hardly good news for The Grey Gatsby this weekend.
I was disappointed that Jim McGrath didn’t mention that David Wachman is 1/20 and a 5% strike rate, when he discussed Independence Day.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
September 11, 2015 at 14:32 #1202672I was disappointed that Jim McGrath didn’t mention that David Wachman is 1/20 and a 5% strike rate, when he discussed Independence Day.
Noticed that Steve.
Worth taking on Legatissimo; get on Amazing Maria (3/1 Paddy Power) in Matron!EDIT: I see you’ve already done so.
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