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  • #1368421
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    No point in having a go just now, but looking at three of them before the five days decs.

    Entries just now……

    https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/23/haydock/2018-09-08/705765

    The three I like just now, and all at 25’s, are…..

    D’Bai
    Dreamfield
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    I’ve slight preference for D’Bai at the moment, but definitely one to hold off with until Monday afternoon.

    #1368583
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    At least I know what not to do, as I won’t play Harry Angel again, let alone ante post for this lousy price.
    If he wins, nice, but I don’t trust him anymore, and the Cox form is not good at all..

    #1368587
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    But who can you trust.?
    Battaash was suppose to be the world’s best sprinter
    Timeform had him rated on 1000p
    yet he came 4th last time out
    despite Chapman already handing over the tin pot to the trainer
    Not very often in this game 2+2 = 4 unfortunately otherwise we’d all be millionaires
    Agree that Harry is a risky bet, oh to be one of those on course punters with the advantage of hitting back the moment the gates open and he fly’s out.

    Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026

    #1370032
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    I’m a big fan of Harry but he has to be taken on here.

    Speak In Colours looks to still be improving and is worth a small poke at 25’s.

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    I am not sure with the weather about up North what is going to turn up here.

    But I have had a speculative couple of bets on TASLEET at 8/1 and DONJUAN TRIUMPHANT at 40/1 because both of them if turning up go on ground with a bit of dig in it!!

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    He’s my cliff horse but I really like Sands Of Mali E/W in this. The July Cup run can be dismissed since he was on completely the wrong side of the track and he was the best horse in the Commonwealth Cup (again on the wrong side). Having Haydock course form is a big plus for Sands Of Mali and such form has been subsequently boosted by James Garfield’s run in the Maurice De Gheest. Sands Of Mali is available at 20/1 with Hills yet James Garfield is 13/2 with the same firm.

    Harry Angel should hack up here but I can’t see many better value options to try and take him on. A case could be made for Gustav Klimt but I find it hard to believe he purely didn’t stay the 7 furlongs last time given some of his runs over a mile this season. By Galileo, I doubt sprinting will be the answer. Tasleet is interesting having been the best of the rest last season and he can go well from a break and he holds The Tin Man on last season’s form. Spirit Of Valor has several pieces of form which makes his 50/1 odds look silly. His Lennox Stakes run was fine and he beat Tasleet at the Curragh (both horses behind Merchant Navy).

    Brando started off on Sands Of Mali’s side in the July Cup but was the first to drift over to the main action. While this performance can be upgraded slightly his jockey really was quick to act limiting the extent to which he was disadvantaged. Sir Dancealot has been supplemented and he’s a horse I really like but I definitely prefer him over 7 furlongs.

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    Relieved to have held off, with all three of the early shortlist missing.

    I almost feel ahead with a result like that, so more than happy to have an early go at it.

    This isn’t a race I would go mad on anyway, more a race to enjoy, so happy to split the stakes on three of them just now, and hopefully see a couple of them trap.

    Sir Dancealot 12’s Win
    Sioux Nation 33’s EW
    Donjuan Triumphant 40’s EW

    #1370882
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    SANDS OF MAIL 20/1

    #1370887
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    Sir Dancealot 9/1.

    Looks to have improved bundles for having the knackers off and Mosse gets on very well with him. Might prefer 7F but slower ground as predicted will help with that issue and he’s the e/w angle into this for me.

    Harry is an aeroplane but off this prep i feel he’ll need to be.

    #1371657
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    Had to have a top up on the pair of mine that made it, I only expected Sir Dancealot to make it, so had a bit more at 9’s, and more ew on Donjuan Triumphant at 50’s, that looks too big.

    #1371838
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    soft heavy in places now, Gustav Klimt, anyone?

    Obvious to say if Harry is back to his best he wins, but with the slight doubts around 11/10 is not for me.

    Good luck everyone

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    Donjuan also @ 40’s EW :good:

    #1371892
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    NWalton am already on two but had to back Gustav at 25/1. I am not saying he is going to win but that price is massive!!

    #1371912
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    Gustav for me also

    #1371946
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    I’ve played Harry Angel @ 5/4 in multiples and Tasleet @ 10/1 as a single

    #1371953
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    Gustav Klimt has won on heavy but he just didn’t look a sprinter that day over 7F in the Guineas trial.

    Kenya and US Navy Flag led that day and both went out like a light, allowing Gustav Klimt to come through and outstay Imaging. It really looked that day that the miler waited and picked off the horses who tired in the 7th furlong on heavy ground. Again last time out, he seemed to lack the pace at 7F, so how will 6F help?

    Sir Dancelot is in great form but his record screams 7F. He won narrowly over 6F at Hamilton and also won at 6F as a 2YO but he’s a six time winner at 7F and that seems his peak distance. Could well place but I’d be worried a couple will be faster. 12/1 with Paddy Power makes some appeal.

    The Tin Man is a similar shout as a horse who could place but he tends not to run on heavy, with last year’s race being the only time he has and he’s never won on soft, so with the tanking he got from Harry Angel last year I couldn’t play him here.

    Tasleet has only been out once this season and that puts me off him.

    James Garfield ran well last time in France but his efforts before that were less encouraging. He has form with Sands Of Mali, who ran badly in France but had earlier got the better of the Scott horse in the Sandy Lane Stakes. I felt that was one bad run too many from Sands Of Mali and the Sandy Lane Stakes did not work out at all well. I am passing on the 3YO generation for this race, so Eqtidaar is also ruled out.

    Brando does not win often enough for my liking and I still get shudders about the day I backed him and he was stone last, running to an RPR of 17. It later transpired he broke a blood vessel. If I ever compiled a book about my unlucky losers and the circumstances Waterstones would probably categorise it under Fiction.

    I can’t back Harry Angel at the odds despite him dismissing fears on the same sort of ground last season. I had backed him ante-post for Royal Ascot at 5/1 and had to watch him being withdrawn after the fracas in the stalls. Whether that may leave a scar and cause unrest in the stalls again this time has to be considered. It need not be as severe but be enough to miss the kick or leave him unfit mentally to be at his peak. At 5/4 there is zero wriggle room.

    I wanted to play Sir Dancelot in the “Without the favourite” market but haven’t got the time to look around. I wouldn’t have played at 8/1 but the Paddy Power 12/1 was enough for an each-way. Despite the reservation on 6F trip it may pan out as a bit more of a stamina test and the horse is in form and should run his race, hopefully into a place and if anything goes amiss with the Fav who knows.

    Sir Dancelot 12/1 EW was my play here.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1372215
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    Gustav Klimt won the Guineas Trial first time up over 7F on heavy and he stayed on strongly to claim that race in the closing stages. I would post the replay but ATR require a log in for that now.

    Five lengths behind Sir Dancealot last time and he meets him on 6 lbs worse terms this time after the weights being 9st 9lb to 9st 1lb last time and it’s only 9st 3lb to 9st 1lb this time.

    Surely that’s a tough ask for Gustav Klimt to reverse and if he was outpaced over 7F, how will he keep tabs any better at 6F?

    Pobably goes off half the odds he should be here.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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