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January 5, 2018 at 18:33 #1335727
Did Pobbles’ just need his first run or was there another reason for the disappointing run, Iskanmayals? (weak in the market on the day and stable won the race with On Tour).
Are you at all concerned he seemed to jump right at times at Aintree?
tbh Am personally a bit concerned with stable form at the moment but good luck for tomorrow.Value Is EverythingJanuary 5, 2018 at 18:35 #1335728That 3m2f was OTR’s first try over fences in public Ginger. He still managed to come 2nd despite some slow jumps.
January 5, 2018 at 19:02 #1335735imo Yes, and he’s run at around 2 1/2 miles every other start… On The Road is a horse I like and if he were racing on good ground here I might even have taken a chance his stamina would last out, myself. But this is no ordinary 3m6f race. On this type of ground around a stiff undulating course they go at a slower speed per furlong than the Aintree Grand National. ie Because of the going this race is going to need more stamina than the the 4m3f Liverpool showpiece.
Value Is EverythingJanuary 5, 2018 at 19:03 #1335736Ginger. Pobbles Aintree run did not disappoint me, the jockey or the trainer. He was favouring his right foreleg early on but jumped straight up the home straight.
January 5, 2018 at 20:32 #1335760Dunno why Alfie Spinner is 3 times the price of WWW when, with the latter’s penalty and riders’ claims taken into consideration, he’ll be 12lb better off than last time they met (yes I know claimers are claimers for a reason…but still).
It was WWW’s first run of the season and needed it according to the trainer. So should come on a fair bit for it.
January 5, 2018 at 21:22 #1335769Had initially backed mysteree and chase the spud (please dont run him LOL) but since the reschedule have just gave them a miss, dont see any reason that one of them wont be capable of winning, but given the conditions it will require alot to go right
Have had a small bet onO’ faolains boy 33/1 e/w Stable in horiffic form, but hes on a handy mark, 13 lbs lower than last win and 20 or so below his best, has ran well at chepstow before… plenty of negatives but her rotten season surely has to brighten up, atleast a little! Lol
January 5, 2018 at 21:29 #1335770I won’t repeat all of my earlier case for Silsol. Suffice to say he seems very good value on old form and unrealised potential.
I’ll be backing him at Betfair SP and in an EW double on Betfair with No Duffer in the Vets Chase at Sandown.
I’ll have a saver here on Buckthorn Timothy.
January 5, 2018 at 21:34 #1335771He must show something for them to persevere with him, ham.
January 5, 2018 at 21:48 #1335774Dunno why Alfie Spinner is 3 times the price of WWW when, with the latter’s penalty and riders’ claims taken into consideration, he’ll be 12lb better off than last time they met (yes I know claimers are claimers for a reason…but still).
WWW is a very progressive horse, comes from a bang in form yard and the way he runs also suggests this stamina test will suit him even better than that 3m race he’s handicapped on. So there’s THREE reasons could well improve on the form he’s so far shown… Therefore it’s very possible WWW could show MUCH improved form here.
Where as Alfie Spinner might be able to step up a little on that last time out 3m form at this extreme trip. But he’s basically a thoroughly exposed 13 year old who’s not going to improve much. Been known to downs tools/run poorly when unable to get a clear view of his fences and this is a big field with around 4 or 5 other pace angles here who could make his life difficult (although better on that front since Kerry Lee has had him). Can be hard work so doesn’t impress me as a horse for a Conditional rider so that has to be a negative for me. Added to that, although Patrick is ok, he’s not imo a top conditional and would be worth no more than his 5 lb claim even if Alfie were to run for him.
Value Is EverythingJanuary 5, 2018 at 23:12 #1335795Interesting Joe!! Mrsraymo has backed SILSOL as one of her three (The others being BTB and CTS) and I have backed Buckthorn at 33/1 and 25/1. So doesn’t bode well for your picks!! LOL
January 5, 2018 at 23:32 #1335803Short and sweet…
Vintage Clouds for me, the longer distance will suit and he’s grey.Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...January 5, 2018 at 23:45 #1335808Won’t be grey by the end of the race, methinks…..
January 5, 2018 at 23:46 #1335811Good luck tomorrow,Iskanmayals.Hope all the runners return safe.Attritional conditions on the course and in the bars.I’ll be there but becoming more and more disillusioned with the raceday experience at Chepstow.
January 5, 2018 at 23:50 #1335812Won’t be grey by the end of the race, methinks…..
LOL Moe.. Could be the dark horse of the race
As long as he and all the others come home safely I’ll be happy.Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...January 5, 2018 at 23:54 #1335814unoriginal but west with the wind and beware the bear look hard to beat here
January 6, 2018 at 00:19 #1335819Now that Rock The Kasbah is staying home I will go for Final Nudge. He’s got decent form on soft and will have no problem staying. 14-1 looks good.
January 6, 2018 at 00:32 #1335824Milansbar 16/1 EW and Alfie Spinner 33/1 for me. Two weeks ago I was on Beware the Bear, but topweight is too risky in this very heavy ground and Sir Mangan is no longer in.
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