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- January 26, 2017 at 19:19 #1283911
Still 3 weeks away, and a lot to happen between now and then, but crucially, this’ll be run once the weights have been framed for Aintree, so a good chance of a sudden return to form for some.
Another of those races for me, where after a long barren spell, things have picked up lately, and Broadway Buffalo went so close last year to giving me a 3 timer. Very much hoping to make it 3 out of 4 this time around.
Fresh from his big win at the track on Saturday in The Peter Marsh Chase, with Bristol De Mai, Nigel Twiston Davies looks to have an interesting candidate in the shape of Blaklion, and he was the first to jump off the page to me at 14’s. I don’t know if he’s Aintree bound, but if he is, then connections have done well keeping him on 152, and for an RSA winner, that ain’t a bad mark. I could easily see him becoming a bit more high profile in the next couple of months, and I think the 14’s is very fair, as I don’t think he’d disgrace himself in The Gold Cup, should he take his chance in that. He’s got a few he could have aimed here, but this is his only entry, and he’s of serious interest.
Bristol De Mai was very impressive on Saturday, and unfortunately (for me) the one horse who I think could have served it up to him, Sausalito Sunrise, was an early unseat. I’m a fan of this horse, and as he continues to slip down the weights, I feel he’s going to take a decent pot. He holds a Gold Cup entry, and would have to run well here to justify that. I don’t think it’s beyond him, even off a potential big weight, and I could make a case for him at 20’s. His stablemate Kruzhlinin took full advantage of his lower hurdle mark here in November, in The Fixed Brush Hurdle, but he was solidly held last time at Kempton, and I think his current mark is just beyond him.
Last years winner, Bishops Road, was another who ran in that Peter Marsh Chase, and he ran well to finish third. He’s coming close to his winning mark here last term, and I can see why he’s favourite, though whether or not his form since that win justifies him being as low as 8’s, then I’m not sure. What I am sure of though, is that if the heavens open in the lead up, then I’d expect him to be even shorter. As per in this type of contest, Kerry Lee has a few entered, and of equal interest to the favourite, are Alfie Spinner, and Goodtoknow. I’d given Alfie Spinner a good word a couple of times lately, and he did me proud last week, and though up in the weights, I don’t think his current mark is totally where he’s at, and despite his advancing years, I could see him make the frame. He was main fancy from the yard for The Classic Chase at Warwick, and one I very definitely didn’t give a good word to was Goodtoknow, who ended up running a screamer at a big price to finish second, finding the impressive winner only too good for him. He’s only up 1 lb for that effort, and that must give him a chance of belying the 16’s.
Talking of horses, who are in the “advancing years” stage, then no surprise for those who read my waffle, that I am very interested in Rigadin De Beauchene. He was a very big winner for me in this 3 years ago, and one of my favourite horses in training. Yes, he is getting on a bit, but after bolting at the start at Warwick, he did run well for a very long way, suggesting to me there’s still more to come, and I’m itching for an each way go at the 25’s. No way I can write him off for one last hurrah, at a track he loves. Venetia also has Katenko, Houblon Des Obeaux, and Emperors Choice in there, but Rigadin would very much be my #1 from the yard, and by some distance too, despite all 3 being chucked in on their best form.
Another horse who ran well in this last year was Cloudy Too, who finished third, after landing The Peter Marsh earlier in the season, so clearly a horse to take seriously at the track. Ran a respectable enough race last time, and he’s already won over timber this year. Off 1 lb lower than his last winning mark, I find him impossible to ignore here at a very, very tempting 20’s. Trainer Sue Smith also has Vintage Clouds, and Wakanda in there. I thought Vintage Clouds was a dark horse here on Saturday, but I thought he was easily brushed aside, and was well beaten off when he came down. Wakanda was a horse who I thought was going places last year, but he really did go off the boil, though he did get back on track last time in The Rowland Meyrick, which was easily his best run for a while. I may have overrated him slightly last term, but he should win before the seasons out.
Wakanda’s old adversary, Virak, also gets an entry, and he’s part of an interesting looking team from the Champion Trainer. I really felt for him last term, as he didn’t appear to have one single piece of form that put him on 159, but that’s the mark he found himself on, and if he were mine I’d be fizzing. The handicapper has (very slowly) relented, and after finishing 4th here on Saturday, he’s all of a sudden dropped a whopping 5lbs, which could be vital for him, and brings him right into this. Paddy Power have him at 25’s, and that’s too big. His stablemates, Arpege D’Alene, Le Mercurey, Vicente, and Vivaldi Collonges could join him. As promising as Arpege D’Alene is, I think his season will be geared around The Festival, while as much as a fan I am of Vicente, I think he’s another who’ll figure elsewhere. This sentiment could equally apply to Le Mercurey, but I see him as less of a prospect for Cheltenham, and I think his mark of 151 is fair, and he’s got possibilities. I haven’t seen enough from Vivaldi this year to spend to long on him for this, and he may be one for next term.
David Pipe has 4 in there, with Vieux Lion Rouge, La Vaticane, Un Temps Pour Tout, and Doctor Harper invovled, and in a race he usually has a runner, half the battle is guessing who the yards #1 is. I don’t know whether or not he’ll want to give Vieux Lion Rouge too hard a time of it before Aintree, while Un Temps looks to have a big task off of 156. La Vaticane may be one for The Topham, and though The Grand National has been mentioned for her, she hardly advertised her claims the other day. This leaves us with Doctor Harper. I’m a big fan of his, but he’s unpredictable, and he was very poor at Warwick last time. I thought he’d be another to feature at The Festival off of his current mark. A win here would not help his causes there. My heart says Doctor Harper from his quartet, but I wouldn’t want to commit right now.
Doctor Harper was, I thought, just a shade unlucky to bump into a rejuvenated Tour Des Champs at Cheltenham on New Years Day, as the winner was very well handicapped on his best form. The switch of yards has clearly done the trick for old TDC, and as an old favourite of mine, it was good to see him back to winning ways, though it didn’t stop me cursing him on the day. He seems to have been around for years, but he’s only a 10yo, and he’ll be running here off of a career high mark. It would be great for Sam Drinkwater to get another big run from him, as he could be Aintree bound after that, via The Festival, and you can be assured, that from one of the smaller yards, they’ll be giving it 100%. If in the same mood as last time, then why not?
Lucinda Russell has a fine record in this, and fresh from her Classic Chase success, she could chance Kilbree Chief, or Itstimeforapint. Neither would be the most obvious for this, but should they make the journey, then give them a second look, and of the pair, I would give preference to Itstimeforapint, who has plenty of runs which could see him fill a place here.
Another trainer to have landed this before is Michael Scudamore, and his Streets of Promise has the look of a “dark horse”. He finally got the hang of things last year, and looks to be on an upward curve. I won’t be betting him myself, but if “good to go” on his seasonal debut, then he’s certainly an intriguing entry at 20’s. His stablemate Mysteree was a very impressive winner here in November, but he was put in his place at Plumpton next time out, off of his new mark.
The Young Master & Henri Parry Morgan are early Grand National fancies of mine, though neither has impressed much so far, and I’m hopeful, but not entirely confident, of an immediate return to form. I may have a few clues after this weekend.
Beg To Differ did me a proper turn at Chepstow, at a price, and although entirely unpredictable, I can’t confidently dismiss him, and it may just be that they swerved The Peter Marsh to keep him fresh for this. 20’s is decent, and I’d prefer him to stablemate Spookydooky.
That’s more than enough for now, and there’s plenty more holding an entry, including the likes of Regal Encore, Gas Line Boy, Warrantor, and Ziga Boy, who would all have a squeak on their best form.
No bets for me yet, but it’s a typically strong entry for this race, and at the moment I’m most interested in the 3 below, who all particularly appeal, either win or each way.
Blaklion 14’s (win)
Cloudy Too 20’s (Each Way)
Rigadin De Beachene (Each Way)
I’d be just as keen on Sausalito Sunrise at the 20’s, but not convinced he’ll head here.
I’d be fairly confident that those 3 will make it to the 5 day Decs Stage, and will decide soon whether or not to get involved before then.
GL
February 13, 2017 at 02:06 #1287178I’ve managed to resist temptation so far, but with 5 day Decs today, decided to take a chance.
I still haven’t went for Blaklion, but he’s still available at 14’s with Sportsbook, and I still reckon that is big, while Rigadin ran just the other day, and he was a bit flat. Venetia will be doing well to turn him out again quickly in this, and he’ll only be a sentimental bet on the day, should he trap.
In the end I’ve went for Cloudy Too, 20’s is just too big each way, especially at this track, and on his current mark, but it’s still there, so had a few quid on. Still not convinced that Sausalito will run here, and could see him head to Kelso again in March, but had to have a few quid on at 27’s to 30’s.
Just hope they both stand their ground now.
February 13, 2017 at 14:19 #1287202I have got the 14-1 for Blaklion here and have topped up at 12-1. He didnt disappoint me in The Hennessy too much but he did at Wetherby. I am looking for a lot more from him on Saturday.
February 13, 2017 at 16:09 #1287217Nice write up again Bobby. I’m quite keen on the chances of GOODTOKNOW at
10/1. I purposely held off until the five day decs to get a slightly better take on what looks
like turning up on the day, and consequently I’ve lost quite a few points on him, but there’s
still a couple of firms offering 10s which seems reasonable. He looks to be improving and ran
a cracker behind One For Arthur, with several decent sorts behind. He won well next time out
at Hereford, giving 11lb to Mountainous, although the ground was pretty dire and only 3 finished.
If there is a worry, it is that this would be the third race he’d had in a month and will that
be asking to much? If it’s not, and if he makes the final decs, I can see him being a good bit
shorter than the 10s on offer at the moment. I’m taking the chance, even though I got stuffed
with 2 ante post bets failing to trap last week in the Betfair Hurdle, thankfully with Ballyandy
coming to my rescue.I’m in agreement with you Bobby on CLOUDY TOO. I don’t need to explain why,
you’ve already done that for me. I took the 20s with Boylesports earlier, I’m surprised to see
them still standing that.They will do for me (if they do turn up), I’m looking to start putting some cash into my Cheltenham
satchel, I hope they can do the trick
February 13, 2017 at 18:38 #1287256Thanks Graham, and good luck………..especially with Cloudy Too
February 13, 2017 at 20:50 #1287289Add me to the Cloudy Too club, only 1lb higher than winning the Peter Marsh a few years ago. I’ll also add the second that day Virak, think he has a good pot in him and jumps well.
February 13, 2017 at 22:36 #1287308Nigel Twiston Davies looks to have an interesting candidate in the shape of Blaklion, and he was the first to jump off the page to me at 14’s.
Blaklion 14’s (win)
Great write up Bob but I only needed 1 minute to decide that Blaklion also jumped off the page.He is an RSA winner who ran better than his finishing position suggests in this seasons Hennessey,he’s capable of throwing in the odd dissapointment but he really is different class to this field and if he does turn up there’s no chance he’ll be 10/1..Its a risk I’m happy to take for £50 with Bet365..I’m not even going to back him e/w as I cant oppose him.Well done getting the 14’s,I must have been pre-occupied.
February 14, 2017 at 14:14 #1287380Bishops Road is out.
February 14, 2017 at 17:56 #1287398Cheers Gord
I didn’t get the 14’s, as I decided to stick with Sausalito & Cloudy. I’ll save Blaklion for the forecast, and he’ll probably make the forecast. 14’s was far too big though for sure.February 14, 2017 at 19:22 #1287407Bishops Road is out.
Well thats shaken the betting.Incredibly Skybet have only cut Blaklion 2 points into 8/1 and even more incredible is they are going 8/1…TAPK is going in again for £50 e/w this time as he has to place against this lot at worse.
February 15, 2017 at 21:23 #1287561Skybet now 9/2 about Blaklion and TAPK has gone in again this morning at 6/1.I’m in London this weekend and expect to pay for it with this fellow.Taquin du seuill can pay for my Champagne bill as there’s 7 of us going.
February 15, 2017 at 21:53 #1287566I backed it to win at 10/1. I do okay betting but not an expert with exchanges. Is it worth me laying the bet off and how do you go about it?
February 16, 2017 at 12:17 #1287589Great write up VTC as always It will come as no surprise I have gone for GOODTOKNOW at 10/1 ew 4 places A good run here and could make the GN itself
February 16, 2017 at 14:17 #1287598Cresswell Breeze makes lots of appeal each way at 20/1 (Betfair).
She’s only 7 and unexposed in general. She’s very game and could well be on a nice mark for her first attempt at this trip. The yard’s in good form and she has run 4 times in February, winning three and second in the other one. In comparison she has just one victory from her 15 outings outside of February.
I suspect she’ll be the gamble of the race.
February 16, 2017 at 20:17 #1287638I’m quite sweet on Vieux Lion Rouge. Only put up 4lbs for his Becher win, which i watched again the other day. The way he quickened on the run in suggests he’ll appreciate the extra quarter of a mile.
I’ll naturally be backing Houby and Tour(y?) for sentimental purposes, though i don’t think the former is without a chance given his recent runs in staying handicaps. I’d be very hopeful of a good run to put him right for Aintree.
Blaklion obviously looks like the one to beat and he will figure in my forecasts and tricasts, however I’ve just got a niggle in my mind he might get tied up carrying top weight. This is obviously his kind of race, but I’m inclined to look elsewhere at the odds.
February 17, 2017 at 17:18 #1287714Thanks Orchid
Good luck with Goodtoknow, I’ve a few quid on him for Aintree, and wouldn’t be too upset should he win tomorrow.Disappointed that my 2 won’t make it, but they both take in The Ascot race instead, and I’ll hopefully get my stake back there. Happy enough to put up Blaklion at the 14’s, and I’ll take it on the chin should he win without any investment from myself.
As for the final field here, well I just couldn’t leave Vicente alone at 16’s, and since I’ve already had my bets, not going mad, but a few quid on the nose at that price with Paddy Power looked worth a risk. Blaklion aside, I could easily see Wakanda & Houblon Des Obeaux chasing him home.
February 17, 2017 at 21:49 #1287764Sorry to disappoint Bobby but I have backed Vicente and Wakanda too!!
The form I am in that is not a good thing let me tell you!!Wakanda looks to me like he is running into form with improvement every time he has ran this season.
Vicente owes me not a penny after last seasons Scottish National win and the only other one I am interested in is gas Line Boy who would have won the Peter Marsh last season IMO if he had not have fallen then ran shocking in this but that could have come too soon for him and at 14/1 will likely be my saver.

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