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- August 17, 2017 at 02:00 #1314123
One of the biggest betting races of the year, and one of my very favourite Flat Races. Had many a good day in it, and even better when you’re there on track, and I might just head along this year.
Just the 226 entries to work through…………….
https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/3/ayr/2017-09-23/681790
….and to say it’s hard to make an early call, would obviously be a bit of an understatement, and there’s every chance that a few contenders could emerge from Ripon on Saturday. Few firms have priced up though, so no harm in an early look

Heading the market at the moment are Scorching Heat, and Ekhtiyaar, and that seems fair enough, as they’re both impressive winners recently. Scorching Heat would have to win very soon, and impressively, to get in here, but no such problems for Ekhtiyaar, and he looks good value for his 6lb rise from last time, and he has to be given some serious consideration here. Very nice 3yo who clearly has a future, and though I haven’t had a penny on him yet, he’s continued to impress me. Worthy of his position at the head of the market.
Not far off favouritism, and a real pal of mine, is last years runner up, Growl. He’s looked as good as ever this year, and plenty of money about for him in this weekends Great St Wilfrid. The market would suggest he’s heading there, and any semblance of a good run there will surely see the 16’s for him here, disappear. Just behind him last year, was another old pal, in the shape of Hoof It. He’s done me a few favours over the years, and though getting on now, he’ll come here relatively fresh, and showed plenty of spark in The Stewards Cup. He’s touch and go to get in though, and should he make it, he’ll make plenty of appeal when the 6 places become available.
Not surprisingly, those ahead of Hoof It in The Stewards Cup, and not to mention a good few who were down the field, could reappear here. Along with Growl, Lancelot Du Lac, Aeolus, Upstaging, and Shanghai Glory, all ran screamers at Goodwood, and will be popular here, justifiably, but it’s one who was ultimately disappointing, who I keep going back to, namely Projection. He first caught the eye last year at Goodwood, and did little wrong in The Wokingham. His poor run last time is obviously a concern, as is the fact that his mark remains unaltered, but I just think that at 25’s with Bet365, he represents a bit of value.
Another recent winner, Tim Easterby’s Golden Apollo looks perfect for this as well, and at 20-1, he’ll surely be appealing to a few, and the 20’s looks generous. This is surely the long term plan.
Orions Bow looked as good as ever last month at Newcastle, though this was slightly tempered by a less impressive showing at Ascot next time. He made big strides last term, and I still have faith in him. Although he was down the field in this last year, he’ll come here off of the same mark as when he was a strong runner up in The Stewards Cup last term, and the more I look at him, the more I reckon he might just have been laid out for this. Very definitely considered at 20’s.
Growl won’t be the only one putting his credential on the line at Ripon this weekend, and one I’m coming around to for the Great St Wilfrid, is Mattmu. He’s caught the eye on more than once occasion in the past, and doesn’t appear to have any significant ground concerns, so he is one of the more attractive propositions from an each way stance. He looks potentially very big at 33’s, and there’s a good chance we’ll see where he’s at on Saturday, having had a fairly long lay off. I still like Edward Lewis and Vibrant Chords for Ripon as well, and a good run there could see them make a mockery of the 40’s and 33’s respectively on offer here. Win or lose on Saturday, those prices still look big to me. My eyes will be everywhere with these 3 on Saturday, and it won’t take much encouragement for me to risk one of them off the back a solid run. This could also apply to half the field on Saturday, with not surprisingly, a good number of them also holding an entry for Ayr.
Richard Fahey has, what looks like, about 100 entered, and god knows which ones will be primed for this, but along with Growl, I think Eastern Impact, Withernsea, who’s very ground dependent, and particularly The Wagon Wheel all make some serious appeal.
One who’s touch and go to get in is Von Blucher, and after showing well for a way in The Hunt Cup, he eventually faded away. I had a couple of quid on him Ante-Post for that, and a bit more for The Bunbury Cup, where he ran a huge race finishing 6th, getting me a right few bob at the 50’s. I was chuffed to bits with him that day, understandably, and should he scrape in, I’ll be with him again. He looks worth a try at this trip. Like Hoof It, he looks one to wait on until Final Decs are known, and as much as I was happy to collect from him at Newmarket, I did throw away a couple of quid at the big prices Ante-Post, but got stung by the 4 places. His price should hold surely, and I’ll go in for 6 places if he goes.
If pushed though, the one I think who might be worth a risk at this stage, is Johnny Barnes. Wasn’t far away in this last year, meeting some traffic problems before finishing a very creditable 8th, considering the circumstances, and he looked as good as ever last time too. Gosden can get him here 4lb’s lower than last term, and that could make a big difference. Probably wouldn’t want it too fast, but I’d be surprised if there isn’t enough juice for him, and he’s my #1 fancy at the moment.
Any race which has 226 entries is not one to go too mad on early, and clearly many of those lower down will be targetted for The Consolation Races anyway, but I thought the race was worth an early look. Talking of those consolation races, I’d be very interested to see if The Feathered Nest turned up, but one thing at a time, and I’ll look at those races later.
No money down yet, which might be wise, but that could change dramatically on Saturday, and I’m very interested in Edward Lewis, Vibrant Chords, and Mattmu at Ripon, with Ayr in mind, while, as mentioned, Hoof It, and Von Blucher would make serious each way appeal on the day.
Ekhtiyaar and Growl deserve there place near the head of the marker, while Projection and Orions Bow look overpriced, and could easily bounce back, but the one I’m very close to siding with is Johnny Barnes, and he looks very good value at 25’s.
Early early days…..
GL
August 17, 2017 at 08:19 #1314129Great write up VYC. I only had one in mind for this till i read that

Donjuan Triumphant for me here. Those that were drawn high really had no chance in the Stewards Cup but he finished strongly to finish 9th beaten 3 l.Overall he finished best placed of the horses drawn 20 or over.
Dropped another 2 lb for that run which is a bonus and certain to get into the race.
He also holds a GR1 entry in the Champion Sprint like a few of these.
Waiting silently in the bushes with my high powered sniper rifle for any bookie to go 25’s
August 17, 2017 at 11:28 #1314141Cheers Botchy

I only had one in mind for this as well, waiting on him all summer, then I clocked last week that he was far too high, so had to try and pick my way through the 226 for a new one lol
Good luck with Donjuan, and the only reason he didn’t get a mention is that there’s far too many nice ones in there. Totally agree with you on him, and fingers crossed you get that 25’s.
August 19, 2017 at 01:13 #1314311Jonny out today at Doncaster, and I should know a lot more then, though the picture will probably have been muddies already by then, with the Great St Wilfrid an hour earlier.
August 19, 2017 at 13:24 #1314406First class work again Bobby, I just love this race. I’ll need to do a lot of mulling
through them, plenty will drop out, but I’m not waiting any longer to have a few quid
on GROWL at 16/1. He’s very capable of taking taking
the Great St Wilfred today, and if he does his price will shorten quite a bit in this.
Even if it doesn’t work out for him today, I think that barring injury he will head here
and I can’t see him being that price on the day. I’ll wait a good bit later to see who
are still standing their ground.August 19, 2017 at 15:16 #1314441Cheers Graham

Totally agree about that line of thinking with Growl, and my finger is currently hovering over that button lol
August 19, 2017 at 15:25 #1314444Very happy with Growl, and though he’ll obviously go up for winning at Ripon, I managed to steal some 33’s.
August 23, 2017 at 14:03 #1315006If you’re quick, 40’s still there for Edward Lewis, who really did stake his cliam, but the one that really caught my eye there at York, was Hoof It, and he must have a real chance at Ayr now.
August 26, 2017 at 18:29 #1315899Finally took that 25’s today for Johnny Barnes, and even happier to see that the weights have already been framed (edited
)I’m happy enough though with him and Mattmu at this stage, and I really hope for no more before final decs now.
August 28, 2017 at 02:55 #1316019That’s a nice little stable you’ve got there Bobby. I think Mattmu looked
very decent winning the Great St Wilfred, the 33s you picked up puts you
well ahead of the market. Equally you are well ahead with Edward Lewis at 40s,
I hope he gets in for you, he’s very much in the same position as STAMP HILL,
who did me a big favour at Ascot last time out at 50/1. I think he will end up
balloted out and in the Silver Cup, but if it looks like it’s cutting up a lot I’ll
dive in, hopefully for the 20/1.I’ve already backed GROWL at 16s, but he’s out to 20s after his run in
the Great St Wilfred which I didn’t think was that bad a run, so I’ve topped up with that.
It looks a bit like I’ve got shares in Richard Fahey, as the 3rd horse I’m interested in
is also one of his. I’m a bit of a fan of KIMBERELLA, who’s done me well
in the past. He runs well in big handicaps, such as the Sky Bet Dash at York which he won
last year. He’s jumped ship from Dandy Nicholls to Richard Fahey earlier this year, and
Fahey has been good to me this year with a few decent priced winners. I’m hoping he can
eke out a little more out of him at Ayr. He finished 5th in this last year, and although
he’ll be carrying top weight, he often does and in any case I doubt there will be anything
carrying less than 9st this year, so it’s fairly well compressed.That will do me for now, Growl at 16s and 20s, and Kimberella at 25s. I’ll hang off
with Stamp Hill, I expect I’ll have a stab at him in the Silver Cup, unless this cuts up
badly. As I’ve mentioned year on year, this is my favourite flat race and I’m intending
being there this year to soak it all in. Best of luck
August 28, 2017 at 10:59 #1316032Cheers Graham, happy enough with my pair at the moment, well as happy as you can be Ante-Post lol
I didn’t actually bet Edward Lewis, more of a heads up, as that 40’s had held, albeit briefly. I wanted to bet him, as I really like him, but trying to be strict.
I’ll stick with Mattmu 33’s & Johnny Barnes 25’s just now, and the plan is to add Hoof It, or maybe even Von Blucher, once the final decs are known, and the place concessions are available. Famous last words of course, and no doubt I’ll add something else by then as well.
Good luck with yours
August 28, 2017 at 12:32 #1316040Betfred went 25’s on Donjuan Triumphant. Took him out from 2000 yards with a single shot

Also going to do Hoof It who really caught the eye this week like VTC says.
August 28, 2017 at 15:02 #1316056It could be that you will need to be rated 100 to get into this race these days. 99 was the lowest mark last year when I managed to back Brando.
At 40/1 I’ve had a wee poke at Get Knotted. Rated 99, we’ll get refunded if he’s balloted into the Silver Cup.
Not stunningly handicapped, he has only won a maiden at 6F but he often runs over further and he’s been placed in big field 6F races. The stand out for me is that he was second in last year’s Silver Cup and at 40/1 I feel a speculative bet is in order. Better that than scratching about for one at 5/1 on the day with the lemming train.
Get Knotted, a shoe-in if he doesn’t tie up or “Slip-On” the turf
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
September 8, 2017 at 17:11 #1316947Betfred went 25’s on Donjuan Triumphant. Took him out from 2000 yards with a single shot

Also going to do Hoof It who really caught the eye this week like VTC says.

Botchy I was impressed with Donjuan yesterday and I was surprised to see that you can still get 20-1 for him. He looks as if he is going for the race so I think that is s great bet and I have parted with some cash on him.
September 17, 2017 at 12:42 #1318084There’s a nice early spread of opinions here which is nice to see and hopefully a few of us will be quid’s in.
A few thoughts of mine: If Magical Memory runs then I’m sure plenty will be on with the assumption that he could just completely outclass these lot and 25/1 probably underestimates his chances at the moment but I guess some of the juice in that price is down to his chances of actually turning up. Kachy however, got done by the smallest of margins by Magical Memory off level weights and should they butt heads again on Saturday Kachy will be in receipt of 3 pounds. This is a horse who finished a length 2nd to Quiet Reflection in last year’s Commonwealth Cup and 4th to Marsha in the Palace House this year. Tom Dascombe’s stable is on fire and I can imagine this being a plan given the recent Leicester run. He seems overpriced at 33/1 for me. I’ve already backed Aeolus at 25/1. He’s 4 pounds lower than 9th in this last year and is un-penalised for his unlucky 2nd in the Steward’s Cup. Ed Walker said immediately after Goodwood that this is the plan. Another I like at 40/1 is Global Applause who cantered into his seasonal debut at Doncaster a few weeks ago before race fitness finding him out and fading to 3rd late on. If this is indeed the plan then he could be the dark-horse in the race who let’s not forget defeated Mehmas last Spring and finished his 2 year old campaign finishing 3rd to Harry Angel in the Mill Reef.
These are only to small stakes and all win only. I’ll top up if they are confirmed runners later in the week.
September 17, 2017 at 15:54 #1318103Upstaging, will have a little on at 25s, my only antepost bet
September 17, 2017 at 17:05 #1318113You have to go back 15 years for a 3 year old winner of this race, but surely Ekhtiyaar isa better than a 100 rating? He beat Tommy Taylor last time out who since won a decent race at the York Ebor meeting, and could’ve won by more if he got a clearer run. Ground holds no fears if it did come up soft on Saturday as he’s woon on G/S and by Bated Breath also. This kind of mark is what you want in a race like this judging by the trends so he’s my number one at the moment.
I agree with Steve that Get Knotted is a stonking ew bet, having come 2nd in the Silver Cup last year and has generally been in good form since. 20/1 as I type is good value for one who usually runs a good consistent race.
Makzeem is another who is probably better than 97 especially judging by his breeding, and should’ve finished closer last time when not getting a clear passage. I also fancy this one to run well if turning up.
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