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  • #1261027
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    Entries are out, and Bet365, Betfred, and Totesport already offering 5 places.

    Had an early bet for this last week, on the defending champ, Grumeti at 50’s. I was at the York meeting on Cesarewtich weekend last year, and was in the process of failing to back a single winner. Stood next to my mate on the lawn in front of the stands, as The Cesarewitch was about to start, and I said something along the lines of “I’m no quite sure why I haven’t bet Grumeti”. He then went on to land it at 66’s, and this, along with my lack of success at York, left me “slightly” annoyed. In other words, I was F*****g raging lol. I do like him though this time around, though no surprise to see Oceane, from the same connections, a lot more popular, and fighting for favouritsm, as he’s had a superb season. His chances don’t need too much explaining, and 14’s seems about right at this stage. Anyway, they’ve managed to get Grumeti back down a few pounds, and off of 85, which would normally be enough to get in, then he must have a chance of being competitive again, having won off of 84 last year. I like the pair of them, but the price appeals for Grumeti a lot more.

    I’d love to see The Twisler run here, though (one of the?) connections have kindly given an update on The Ebor thread, so hopefully might have a better idea soon, as to whether or not this is a realistic target. I certainly think he’d like the step up in trip, though it might be sensible to wait for “Twisler” to give his/her views. I’m itching for a go at the 50’s.

    On the subject of The Ebor, the ultra impressive winner of that race, my old pal Heartbreak City, not surprisingly heads the market, as low as 8’s. He was dynamite at York, an even a rise in the weights, shouldn’t stop him being thereabouts, and from a trainer that’ll surely be sending him here, then the bits of 12’s available on him actually looks very fair, even at this stage, and even allowing for his flop in this last year. It’s only that flop that’s holding me back.

    The runner up to him, Shrewd, is obviously a serious player as well, he didn’t do too much wrong on Saturday. The eyecatcher from that race was Oceanographer, doing his best work at the end, and he’s impossible to leave out of things based on that. A very interesting entry, and the 40’s with Skybet is big.

    Another potential runner from Ireland, who catches the eye, is the Jessica Harrington trained Modem. I’m a big fan of the horse, and he didn’t disgrace himself at York last week, when conditions wouldn’t have been ideal for him. He’s been good to me in the past, most recently when making the frame in The Galway Hurdle, and I think he’d acquit himself well here. He’s currently a general 25’s.

    Other potential runners from across The Irish Sea, include stablemates of Heartbreak City, Quick Jack, who’s been third in the last 2 renewals, and is big at 20’s with Betfred, and also Ted Veale. I’d be surprised if Renneti doesn’t trap here, who was an excellent fourth last year, and Silver Concorde is another who surely has this as a serious target.

    Qewy would have to lump a big weight round, but he’s been decent this year, and he looks ideal for this, certainly has the ability to shoulder that weight.

    Cayirli caught the eye earlier in the season, though he caught the eye of the handicapper in the process, and he might just be weighted out of this, as much as I like him.

    One dark horse could be the Jim Goldie trained, The Minch, who doesn’t have many miles on the clock, but he a had a fine start at Aintree in a bumper, and I’d be inclined to believe that is more of a reflection of his ability, rather than what he’s shown so far this season. Would not surprise me at all that this will have been the target all along, and I’m very tempted with the 40’s.

    I have bet another one though, and it’s the Paul Nicholls trained, All Set To Go. Thought he’d have a bit of a higher profile by now, but having been a bit of a slow burner, he’s finally getting the hang of things, and think he has a lot more to offer. He’ll have enough weight, but as I feel there’s a lot more to come from him, then I have to have a bit of the 33’s.

    Grumeti 50’s, and All Set To Go 33’s for me then, and very very interested in The Twisler 50’s, and The Minch 40’s.

    The 2 will do for now though, and with 113 in there at the moment, every chance I’ll change my mind at some point along the way, and it looks the usual minefield.

    GL

    #1261035
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    Twis is entered because if he can put up a good performance at Haydock or elsewhere it is the obvious entry for a stayer. He was entered last year as well, but we decided that at 3yo it would be too much too young. The CES can be/is a brutal race.
    As I said in the Ebor thread, he needs rain, if Firm is mentioned anywhere on the course description he doesn’t run.
    I would hold back on putting any money down …..YET.

    #1261038
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    Thanks for the update Twis, much appreciated, and best of luck with him for the rest of the season.

    PS I amended that spelling for you, and took away the 2nd post, just in case you’re wondering where it went :good:

    #1261150
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    Quick Jack at 20’s for me Bob.
    He needs things to fall his way, going, luck in running etc but he’s such a smooth mover

    Charles Darwin to conquer the World

    #1261174
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    I backed Heartbreak City ante post last year and he was awful. It simply looked a case that he didn’t stay the trip and even if he is in better shape this year, I don’t see how the stamina question can be ignored.

    I prefer Quick Jack. He’s just run a good race and has form in the Ces in giant fields. That’s plenty enough to put him in the frame again and Betfred are offering 5th place on each-way. There may be firms going 6 places come the day but I can’t see Quick Jack being 20/1 then.

    Quick Jack 20/1 and 5 places looks a bet that could well look solid by flagfall.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1261200
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    I backed Oriental Fox to win on the day of the race at 25’s last year :-(

    Just had a small win bet on Lil Rockerfeller on the exchanges @ 36’s

    Improved 32 lbs over hurdles during the last NH season with his best performances on Soft ground. It’s been mentioned that he will have a race somewhere before the Cesarewitch this Autumn.

    Possibly could develop into a World Hurdle contender next year. :unsure:

    #1261255
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    My initial picks after a quick look are

    LIFE LESS ORDINARY which ran a sound race at York from a long way back 33/1

    TWO JABS which has ran three solid races at York and looks juts the sort for this 40/1 but I am not sure it will get in !!

    MILL SPRINGS which ran a terrific race behind Jennies Jewel at Ascot and is 25/1 but might end up with too much weight in this.

    Off to have a look at Betfair now to see if any of them are mad prices!!

    #1261318
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    My initial picks after a quick look are

    LIFE LESS ORDINARY which ran a sound race at York from a long way back 33/1

    TWO JABS which has ran three solid races at York and looks juts the sort for this 40/1 but I am not sure it will get in !!

    MILL SPRINGS which ran a terrific race behind Jennies Jewel at Ascot and is 25/1 but might end up with too much weight in this.

    Off to have a look at Betfair now to see if any of them are mad prices!!

    Two Jabs is rated 86 at the moment Raymo. Last year’s winner Grumeti won off 84 and a few others in the race had that same mark, as the lowest rated horses in the race, so it is possible he will get in.

    Grumeti is only 1lb higher than last year. It’s amazing how some horses take ages to get dropped to a winnable mark again, while a couple of pissy runs sees others back to something lenient enough looking in two shakes of a lamb’s clacker bag.

    50/1 for Grumeti is a mighty price but he may not get in off 85.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1261608
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    Add me to the QUICK JACK bandwagon come out of a Betfred shop took 20/1 was on him when 3rd in race was gutted then

    Also like SILVER CONCORDE stayed on very strong in Chester cup hope he turns up not seen what best price he is yet

    #1263424
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    Absolutely gutted that All Set To Go has been withdrawn, I really liked him for this, and I was very happy with the fancy prices I got on Betfair……..dammit :negative:

    Grumeti hangs in there though, and got him up to 95’s.

    The Minch still interesting me, and I’m not far off taking the 270’s on the exchange

    #1265015
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    Two of mine are 44 and 47 at the moment so they might not get in but I hope they do and having had another look recently I have my eye on BLUE RAMBLER of Ian Williams ran well behind Intense Tango last time out which could have been a prep for this!

    #1265208
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    Have we just seen the Ces winner at Ascot ??

    #1265533
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    Had a win bet on Mr. Martins Pyromaniac @ 14’s.

    Some unlucky runs :wacko: this season suggest an end of season target has been on the radar and maybe a 155k to the winner pot could be it.

    #1265545
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    With the 5 places available, I am happy to chance a few pounds on The Cashel Man at 25-1, I thought that was a fair trial at the track on his last run.

    #1265871
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    Does anyone happen to know whether the breeders of GOLDEN SPEAR are any relation to the trainer?

    #1265926
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    I can’t give up on The Twisler now, can I. Can’t have another Wayward Prince Scottish National situation.

    #1265988
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    Last dart on the Minch E/W @ 50’s 5 places.Looks a very interesting runner.

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