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  • #1273966
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    I’ll give this race a proper look at the weekend, but I’ve already bet 2 of them, so here are the entries…….

    http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/cards/card.sd?race_id=662689&r_date=2016-12-10#raceTabs=lc_

    Village Vic – Needs no introduction, after landing this last year, and narrowly missing out in the BetVictor. Just loves it round here, and only 3 lbs higher for that run last time. 16’s is huge for him, and in a race that seems to cut up badly these days, and for a horse who I think will figure in The Ryanair this year, then you could argue that he looks pretty well treated. A very fair each way price, and even at this stage, I can’t see him out the 4.

    Cold March – I’ve had this horse in mind for a decent handicap for a while now, and although he only ran respectably at the weekend, it’s a path well trod by Venetia with her runners in this, and that should have brought him along nicely. Very big at 25’s.

    I’ll give it a proper look over the next few days then, but at those prices, just had to get involved, and I’ll go in again, if I see bigger.

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    Had another look at this race, and still can’t see it being that strong.

    I’m really keen on Village Vic at the 16’s, and fairly confident he can make the 4, so topped up on him, and topped up on Cold March at the 33’s.

    I’ll hold off having another look until after the next forfeit stage, but the likes of Aso, Bouvreuil, and Tenor Nivernais do catch the eye.

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    ASO at 12/1 for me Bob here ran a very good race last time and normally winner of this race ran in Paddy power race if ground soft for him great chance

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    19 stand their ground for this, and one of mine, Cold March, has fell by the wayside. Happily though Village Vic is still in there, and I just can’t see by him. Taquin De Seuil, who obviously got the better of Vic last time, is still in there, and his chances are obvious. Not hammered for that win, and if Jonjo can “convince” him to be in the same mood, he could easily do the double. He’s a horse I know well, and he’s big worry here for me.

    I’ve replaced Cold March with another Venetia inmate, who I mentioned earlier, in Tenor Nivernais. I had him in this last year, along with Village Vic, and though Tenor is weighted to come out on top, I still think it’ll be place only, and took the 20’s each way. Stablemate Aso was the other one to catch the eye in the build up to this, he certainly ran a great race in The BetVictor, but I’d maybe like to see a bit of rain for him.

    The other one who made that early shortlist was Bouvreuil, and I’m in no rush to change my mind. Like Aso, he ran a sound race in that BetVictor, and you can still get 12’s. He looks JP’s number one hope here, though worth noting that Full Shift, who was a shade disappointing last time at Newbury, will come in here on a featherweight. I’ll pay attention to jockey booking for him.

    Bouvreuil’s stablemate Frodon is still in there, though he has to atone for his disappointing run here last month, though he’s still learning, and Nicholls has landed this with a youngster in the past, and no surprise if he bounced back. Could very well be that handicapper has caught up with him, but he was very impressive for his 2 wins this season, and I’d be willing to forgive. Art Mauresque could also represent Nicholls, and though he could only manage 7th in The BetVictor, he was a nice winner at Chepstow before that, and not sure he deserves to be a 20-1 shot, that’s pretty generous looking.

    Former Nicholls inmate, and Grand Annual winner, Solar Impulse is at 66’s. You can only assume he’s got issues though, having been sold by Graham Wylie, and moved to the Christopher Kellett yard after a couple of disappointments after Cheltenham. He certainly showed nothing behind Sire De Grugy last time. Turban is another who used to lodge in more illustrious yards, being a former Mullins inmate. He was never a stable star though, and didn’t achieve that much with WPM. Hard to recommend on overall form, though Paul Henderson had a shock winner here last month with another cast off from Mullins, in the shape of Un Beau Roman. He’s hard to recommend though on recent form, and even with the chance that Henderson might work his magic, the 66’s looks about right.

    Aloomomo heads the market, and he’s a nice enough horse, with a few things in his favour, not least that this would seem to have always been the plan for him. I’d just question whether or not he deserves to be favourite though on what he’s achieved so far. The same sentiments could apply to Thomas Brown. He’s a nice enough horse, and appears in good form, having won last time out, but I’m not sure he needs to be as low as 10’s at this stage. I’ve not been convinced that he likes big competitive fields, but I suppose if the race did cut up, as it could easily do, then this would enhance his chances.

    Buywise will obviously appeal to a few on here, but trainer has stated that his next run may be over hurdles, and stable also has Kings Odyssey, a horse who didn’t grab me at first, but on second viewing, is one I’d consider. Maybe has work to do to actually land it, but interesting that he may be stables #1, and same connections mapped out this prize for Barrakilla, 2 seasons back, and that went close to paying off. He looks big at 14’s.

    Also big at 14’s, is Kylemore Lough. His unbeaten run came to an end at Ascot last month, but didn’t do too much wrong that day, and coming off the back of a big season, he could very easily bounce back.

    I’m a big fan of Quite By Chance, and he did me a huge favour at Ascot in October. He only found the well handicapped Sire De Grugy too good for him on his return to that track, and after the weekend, that form doesn’t look too shabby now. I think he’s well handicapped horse himself, and hailing from the Tizzard yard, the 20’s is more than generous, and as I write this, I’ve just had some of it. Stablemate Sizing Codelco has a terrible seasonal debut to overcome, and he’s hard to recommend on what we seen here in that race last month, for all he’s got plenty of previous form that would give him a squeak.

    Module returned from a long layoff here last month, and no shame really in getting well beaten by Fox Norton. He was entitled to need that run obviously. He’s kept the best of company over the years, and he’s been given a chance by the handicapper, but even hailing from a yard who’s had a good start to the season, I just think he’s a bit risky, till we see whether he fully retains his ability. If he has, he’s chucked in.

    Roman Flight hasn’t been unduly punished for his win last time, though this would be a massive step up for him, but at least we know he’s on the right track. I’d give him a sporting chance at the 33’s.

    Still mad keen on Village Vic then, and happy with the 16’s I got. I’ll actually be disappointed if he’s not in the 2. Very happy to have 20’s on my backups, Tenor Nivernais & Quite By Chance, though any bet in this is risky, as I’d fully expect a few more of them to come out this week.

    GL

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    Nice one, Bobby. You’ve had it away with VV who’s now 6s. Good luck with that.

    Roman Flight appeals at 20s but will need the rain to stay away, and it looks like it might just do so. I’ll hold off for now. I like Kylemore Lough too.

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    Cheers Joe :good: strangely confident about him, and getting keener by the minute on Quite By Chance as well.

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    Cheers Joe :good: strangely confident about him, and getting keener by the minute on Quite By Chance as well.

    I felt we may have been lucky with ‘Taquin’ last time Bob and as much as I love the horse I cant see him confirming places with Village Vic who has to come on for the run,he loves Cheltenham and on a faster surface I can see him getting away from his field,he’s been 16’s for the past fortnight and never budged till declaration time today,10’s on the machine is still big.The horse I have backed at the past 2 festivals and been robbed twice with is Bouvreuil,I liked his run in the ‘Mackeson’ and expect him to come on again,he’s 5lb and 3lb better with ‘Taquin and Vic’ and I expect at least a place.Again taken the 16’s and have had £100 e/w with Bet365 today.’Aloomomo’ should never be fav for this,he simply doesn’t have the form for a race like this,’Aso’ has that ‘Arkle’ eyecatcher run to his credit but wants it softer imo.I dont fear anything else at all and am confident the ‘Mackeson’ form will give us the winner.

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    Bookmakers not exactly offering a great incentive with 7 horses priced at 10/1 or less. No thank you.

    VTC, are you not a little concerned that Quite By Chance appears to have taken a big leap forward over a much shorter trip and going the other way round?

    I backed Kings Odyssey at something like 25/1 for the JLT and he was around half the price when they pulled him. He is open to more progression than most of these but he didn’t show much over an inadequate trip on seasonal debut and 10/1 looks pretty skinny. I suspect he wouldn’t even run unless there was significant rain.

    Kylemore Lough is another who almost certainly needs a spot of rain. If it comes 14/1 is probably the pick of the current prices.

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    Yes, indeed, how Kylemore Lough is 14s I cannot fathom. The only other Grade 1 winner in the race (TDS) is half his price, has 5lbs more to carry and is nowhere near as consistent. While his form is on softer ground he has never run on good since beginning this long upward curve (he won a point on good). I can only put his price down to small trainer syndrome and/or the chance he might not line up.

    The ground could indeed play a big part and there are some outsiders who might shine on it: Thomas Brown
    Full Shift and Roman Flight. Sizing Codelco looks big at 25s. He ran no kind of race first time for Tizz despite being backed to do so but had been in the yard just 6 days. He has some decent form in Ireland.

    I’ve had a wee bet at 85 on Solar Impulse who has run 2 great races in big fields at Cheltenham on good ground, one being a festival victory in March.

    But the wonderful Village Vic will take some beating and 16s was a great price. He too must give weight to KL who must now be the value at 14s.

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    I’ve not seen too much to concern me (at the moment) to worry about him going the other way stilvi, and I just thought on his October run that a step up wouldn’t phase him. I planned to have only 1 backup to Village Vic, but when the 20’s held, I just thought it was a shade big. To be honest, I’ll only be watching VV on Satuday, and I’ll only have the others as minor consolations.

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    Hope you’re right Gord, good luck

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    I have backed two EW for this BOUVEREIUL 16/1 and have taken a chance on SIZING CODELCO to bounce back at 33/1. Good luck what ever your on.

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    Thomas Brown is jocked up now so I’ve taken the 12s…watch this space….

    ……There will be blood

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    Aloomomo may miss this, if there is no rain, and be held back for Ascot next weekend.

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    K Lough Betfair price suggesting he won’t be there

    Added Hargam with T Brown for an EW dbl

    #1275923
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    Thomas Brown is jocked up now so I’ve taken the 12s…watch this space….

    ……There will be blood

    The only blood will be from your self inflicted wound Joe backing ‘Thomas Brown’…I’m intrigued to your mindset here as the only form line that gives your horse a chance is his Cheltenham Novices run last March.He failed miserably in that.Yes he’s 6lb better off with Bouvreuil but that horse went past him as if he was stood still and yours has near on 20 lengths to make up on the Nicholls horse.Your fellow is a 7yo and mine is a 5yo,I’d say the younger horse has more scope.You could argue that yours has a strike rate of 7 wins from 16 runs,mine only 2 wins from 20 but I’d suggest ‘Bouvereuil’ has run against a better class of opposition.You could say yours ran a fine race on his seasonal debut in beating ‘On tour’ at Aintree but I’d say both ran to the same mark they ran to at Cheltenam,which imo isn’t good enough to win this.No doubt you have your own reasons for backing ‘Thomas Brown’ and if he does win I’ll be the first to congratulate you as I couldn’t have him in the first six. :rose: Good luck you deserve a break.

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    If I’m at the head of a wagon train, I know I’m going to be closely followed by
    Tommy (THM) and Botchy, heading for the promised land that is BUYWISE.
    He is a bit of am enigma, and it seems he can only run one way, but there’s no
    doubting he has ability. I bet him last time in the Betvictor GC, cajoled somewhat by
    aforementioned Buywise groupies, more in hope than expectation, but he ran his usual
    decent race taking 3rd. He finished 2 lengths behind Village Vic, and is 2lbs better
    off this time. I’m more hopeful for him this time, I think he does have a decent shout
    here as he’ll be happy on the ground and likes Cheltenham. It’s not as if I’ve just
    followed him over a cliff and he’s cost me a fortune, he maybe hasn’t got his head in
    front for 20 months, but he places more often than not, and at decent prices. I’m happy
    to take the 10/1.

    I’m also happy to side with VILLAGE VIC, although I’m late to join
    VTC, TAPK and Steeplechasing who took fancier prices, I’ll have to settle for the
    8/1 I got. I don’t think there’s anything between Buywise and VV on their last running,
    I’ll maybe stick them on a forecast too…..just in case.

    I bet Sizing Codelco last time out at Cheltenham, and he was gambled as if they expected
    him to run well, but he ran no race. Joe mentioned earlier that he was overpriced at 25s,
    you can get 33s with PP at the moment. He’s better than his last run, and I’m tempted, but
    he was so bad that that I’m wondering if something is amiss. I might regret it but I’m going
    to leave him alone this time.

    I’ll stick with those two, but if Art Mauresque still stands his ground later in the week,
    and is anywhere near the 20/1 he is at the moment, I’ll probably have a nibble at him too.

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