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    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    One of my favourite races of the season, and probably the race which I’ve had most success in, having had my fair share of luck in it over the years. Nothing like setting yourself up for a fall.

    My long term fancies for this were Champagne West & Ziga Boy, and not surprisingly they find themselves at the head of the market, and they’re actually even shorter than I envisaged they’d be at this stage.

    Ziga Boy did me a turn in The Skybet Chase last month, and bar a scare at the end, when Buywise looked as if he might mount a challenge, he looked the winner from a very long way out. He’s clearly going the right way, and despite the obvious rise for that Doncaster success, his mark of 141 leaves him on a very nice weight for this.

    Champagne West, my #1 fancy, and as low as 4’s with Paddy Power, is arguably the best horse in the race, but having had a fair spell on the sidelines, there’s a chance he’s got a few pounds ahead of the handicapper. His return from injury in The Caspian Caviar Gold Cup at Cheltenham in December was very good indeed, only finding his stablemate, Village Vic too good. I rate Village Vic very highly, and thought that was a great effort. His next run at Cheltenham didn’t go to plan though, and despite travelling very well, he clouted one down the back, putting paid to his chances. Although he’s had his jumping issues in the past, I’d put that particular blunder down to jockey error, and think he’s well worth a second chance. He’s quietly fancied by many for The Ryanair, but I very much believe he’s equally at home over 3 miles+. I’ve bet him up to 1000’s for The Gold Cup, so desperate to see a big run from him on Saturday, so that connections at least consider him for that race, even though my head tells me he’ll head for The Ryanair. His trainer has a decent record in the race, and I’m pleased to see this is his only entry.

    Behind Champagne West at Cheltenham in December was Tenor Nivernais. I had a decent bet on him ante-post for that race a price, and he didn’t let me down, and I was more than happy with the each way return. He remains a very likeable horse, and is in the form of his life. As well as his third in The Caspian Caviar, he returned twice to Cheltenham, finishing runner up to Village Vic & Annacotty, and it’s very hard to crab those runs. My only concern with him is his patchy record over this trip, and he could only manage 6th in this last season, off a much lower mark. His stablemate Shangani also gets an entry, but it would have to be a Venetia “Special” for him to win, as he’s not been in the best of form, and just looks as if he’s short of whats required here. He also had a very hard race at Exeter last week, and that’s bound to have left it’s mark.

    At this stage last year, I had 2 main fancies, with one of them being Rocky Creek, at a very generous 20-1. I held fire with him though, as Paul Nicholls was very cool on the chances of him actually lining up, stating he was the least likely of his 3 at that stage. He of course went on to romp it, and despite a few quid on him, it certainly wasn’t at 20’s. I may have called Nicholls a few names that day. He was clearly well treated that day off of 154, and (on paper) doesn’t look too bad here off of 158 either. That doesn’t tell the full story though, and he remains, putting it politely, enigmatic. He was too bad to be true in his last 2 runs at Newbury & Aintree, and that alone is enough for me to be less enthusiastic about him this time around. Not beyond him if in the mood, and if over his recent run at Newbury, but I’ll have to leave alone here. His respectable effort behind Don Cossack at the start of the season is niggling me, but still not enough to sway me. Nicholls is also represented by Virak, and Ruben Cotter. Virak is a horse I’ve a lot of time for, though he does find himself at the top of the weights with Rocky Creek. He rarely runs a bad one, but there’s just the thought that he’s a bit harshly treated on what he’s actually achieved. He’s twice finished runner up this season, to the improving Wakanda, but that horses capitulation at Cheltenham last time has done little to frank the form. Virak has also finished runner up to another Sue Smith horse at Haydock, in the very well handicapped Cloudy Too in The Peter Marsh, and that day I just thought as if he looked in need of a bit of respite from the handicapper. He’s certainly a decent animal, considered good enough for a Gold Cup entry, but he remains very hard to place, and though I’ll swerve him on Saturday, a good run wouldn’t be a total shock either. Completing the trio is Ruben Cotter, who I’m very interested in. He’s always looked a horse of some promise, and ran a cracker when last seen in The Topham at Aintree last April. That was off the back of a win here in March, and he’s been on my radar for this ever since. He’s clearly had his issues, as he’s currently coming off the back of his second spell on the sidelines, but I’m sure Nicholls wouldn’t be sending him here if not 100%, and at a price, he’s very interesting, for both this, and The Topham. The 20’s looks very fair to me.

    Chasing home Rocky Creek last year was Le Reve. He ran no sort of race at Doncaster, and seemed to hate it, to my eyes anyway. He bounced back last time though at Sandown, beating the very well handicapped, and subsequent winner, Unioniste. He’s generally around 5’s, and that sums up his chance here. He will be racing off a mark that has stretched him in the past, but I reckon he’s a couple of pounds better off going right handed, he ran a screamer in The Bet365 Gold Cup at Sandown in April, and it’s pretty difficult to pick too many holes in him for this.

    I thought The Druids Nephew was superb when he won at The Festival last year, and although still a fair way out, I’m pretty sure he’d have won The National, had he not slipped up. That was enough for me to throw a few quid at him for The Gold Cup, but sis seasons clearly been geared around a repeat bid for Aintree. Even allowing for that, I thought he still looked a little too laboured for me, in his comeback over hurdles at Wetherby, & his spin round Cheltenham in December, where he finished down the field to Aachen. Clearly a force to be reconed with in The National again, and I wouldn’t rule out another big run in the 3 miler at Cheltenham either, but as far as this prize is concerned, I’ll take the chance that those bigger targets in the spring are priority for him.

    Harry Fry comes here double handed, with previous winner Opening Batsman, and the promising Thomas Brown. I get the impression that this is a race Fry would very much target, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this has been the target for Opening Batsman all season long. He’s got a lot of questions to answer, not least off the back of his dismal run here in January. Never in contention that day, but for a horse who’s so hard to predict, I can’t bring myself to write him off either, as bad as that last run was. He’ll run here off the same mark, as when victorious in 2013, and I can see him potentially lobbing along nicely, before finding a few too good on the run for home. Thomas Brown had a bloodless victory at Doncaster last time, with a main market rival falling, and having the race handed to him, when Vintage Vinnie hit one close to home. That was his third start over fences, and he’s taken the transition from hurdles very well this season, looking a horse full of potential. He could be a player in one of The Novice Chases at The Festival, if forgiving him his poor run there last season in The Albert Bartlett, and I find it very hard to leave him out of the equation here, especially off 140.

    Well ahead of Opening Batsman that day at Kempton, was Roc D’Apsis. Having looked under pressure 2 out, he fairly dug it out, and when pressed at the end, he found plenty. I thought at the time, it was a fair trial for this. Trainer has won this twice before, with his popular grey, Nacarat, and off that run in January, I could see this grey just surprising a few. Very interesting at 20’s.

    Hadrians Approach has been seen sparingly since the highlight of his career, The 2014 Bet365 Gold Cup. He’s only ran twice since then, running poorly on both occasions. He’s been off the track for over a year, so hard to enthuse about him for this. His jumping’s never been the best, though he has been given a National entry, which suggests he might be over his ailments, but despite being given a break by the handicapper, given his trainers recent record with chasers, I’d have to leave him alone for this particular prize.

    I was keeping an eye on Fox Appeal at the start of the season, but he’s pretty much failed to deliver. Having ran promising races in defeat at Cheltenham & Ascot, his last run, back at Ascot was very disappointing, and I just feel he could be doing with coming down a few pounds. Difficult to judge how he’d have fared in this last year, as he unseated early on. The type of horse to leave you with egg on your face, but I’ll leave him till he comes down a couple of pounds.

    Another horse coming off the back of a poor run is Viva Steve. He had a few quid of mine on him at Cheltenham that day, but he ran no sort of race, and was beaten a fair way out. I’d be inclined though to put that down to conditions that day, he really seemed to hate it, and I’m more than happy to give him another chance, especially of the back to his second here, behind leading Grand National fancy, The Last Samuri. I reckon that run puts him bang in contention for this.

    Theatre Guide is a horse who looks exceptionally well handicapped, certainly off the back of his second behind Smad Place in The Hennessy, and although beaten a lot further next time behind the grey at Cheltenham, he did have some decent horses behind him. Connections went close with Mount Oscar in this a few seasons back, and I reckon he’s got to come into the reckoning, and he still looks big at 14’s. I took bigger though, and he’s the one I’m building this “mini book” around.

    The field is completed by the Nigel Twiston-Davies pair, Ballykan & Astracad. Ballykan looked at star of the future when running up a 3 timer at the start of the season, but the wheels have rather come off lately. He was taken care of, in a weak enough affair at Cheltenham, before pulling up in The Rehearsal Chase. He should have his day in time, but I think he’s one for the future, and it’s watching brief for the meantime. Astracad is an old favourite of mine, and he won me a few quid at Chepstow in October, though I’ve bet him “once or twice” over the years, and he disappoints more often that not. This trip is a step into the unknown, and I’m inclined to think it’ll stretch him, though think he’ll be up there for a while, and I’d love to see him run a big race, though I can’t see him there at the business end. He’ll no doubt have a sentimental quid or two of mine on him though.

    With it being a good race for me, I wanted to side with Champagne West & Ziga Boy from an early stage, and though I’ve no issues with taking market leaders, I didn’t want to side solely with both of them, and took a risk and built a “mini book”. Hasn’t been easy with limited liquidity, but I’ve had a go. Kruzhlinin was also vying for favouritism, but I was never as keen on him for this, and he’ll be more of a player later in the season. I was happy to dodge him. At the moment, got these running for me.

    As hard a race to call as I can remember, and happy to take this approach. Returns will be lower, but happy to make a profit overall, and fairly confident the way the market is forming, that I can pull it off. This time last week, the entry was chock full of likely sorts, with 41 standing their gorund, hence taking this approach, and I’ve managed to get away with it so far. Ziga and Champagne were the bigger fancies, but Theatre Guide is the big winner (if I can pull this off). I’m convinced I can make some decent profit from Ziga and Champagne this way.

    Ideally, I’d like to see Champagne West win it out the park, booking his place for The Gold Cup, but it’s such a tough race to call, I didn’t want to put all my eggs in the one basket with him.

    Champagne West 10’s to 13.5’s
    Ziga Boy 14’s to 18’s
    Ruben Cotter 24’s to 26’s
    Opening Batsman 27’s to 28’s
    Viva Steve 26’s to 36’s
    Theatre Guide 19’s to 28’s
    Roc D’Apsis 34’s to 40’s

    #1234824
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    Thanks for that Bobby, first class summing up as usual.

    I spent a good while going through this race earlier today, it’s a tough nut
    to crack with so many potential winners. I love CHAMPAGNE WEST, I
    had a good bet on him at Cheltenham in the Caspian Cavaiar Gold Cup,
    (along with my old pal Buywise) but an extremely well handicapped Village Vic put
    paid to that. As good as CW is, it’s asking a lot to carry 11st 7lbs `to victory
    in a race like this. Only 1 horse in the last 10 years has carried more than 11st
    (Tidal Bay), so as much as I love him, I’m going to look elsewhere.

    The two I’ve picked out to bet are THOMAS BROWN and THEATRE
    GUIDE
    . I’ve already taken the 12/1 on Thomas Brown with BET365, and I don’t
    think that will last long. You’re absolutely right, he was handed it a bit on plate
    last time out at Doncaster, but his two runs previous at Ascot were good performances
    and I think he looks like the progressive type of horse you need for a race like this.

    I haven’t as yet bet THEATRE GUIDE, I faffed around too much earlier,
    and when I went to take the 16s at PP, it had just gone. I think there were a few who
    jumped on that as PP dropped him to 12s. There’s still plenty of 14s so I’ll settle
    for that. He’s running off 139, which is the same he ran off when 2nd in the Hennessy
    and 3rd in the Cotswold Chase. This is a better target for him, he deserves to be higher
    up the handicap than he is so IMO he is let in lightly here.

    I’ve a soft spot for HADRIANS APPROACH. I put him up a few times here,
    although I was told by a few sages on here (with some justification) that he couldn’t jump.
    I just thought he had a big race in him and was well rewarded in this 2 years ago. You
    would have to take a lot on trust, to give him any kind of shout this time around. He
    didn’t look right in his 2 runs last year, but if Nicky has managed to get him fit, then
    carrying 1lb more than when he won 2 years ago would give him some kind of shout. 20/1
    with Corals could look a silly price come Saturday, equally he could be pulled up with
    half the race to go, he’s risky.

    A cracking race in prospect.

    Best of luck all :good:

    #1235112
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    Fi :good: :good: :good: rst class as always Bobby!!!

    I have backed Thomas Brown 12/1 and Reuben Cotter 20/1
    But I was impressed with Ziga Boy last time and am fearful of him!!

    #1235164
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    This is usually a bit of a test but with the ground likely to be good to soft at worst come Saturday, I don’t think the horses at the top of the weights should be too inconvenienced.

    Those at the head of the market are plenty short enough for me, Champagne West has had a few jumping issues of late and at 154 doesn’t really hold many secrets. Likewise Ziga Boy has shot up the weights to a mark of 141, and although clearly improving, may lack the class against some seasoned horses. Le Reve is a favourite of mine but is 3 lbs higher than when a gallant second in this race last year, and tends to reserve his best at Sandown. Thomas Brown is dangerous as he has a similar progressive profile to stablemate Opening Batsman who was a winner a few years back, but has done all his winning in smaller fields so may not appreciate the hustle and bustle of a 16 strong race. Therefore, I’m tempted by a few outsiders which look a bit overpriced, namely Hadrian’s Approach and Ruben Cotter. HA is clearly risky after a long absence since a lifeless performance at Sandown last year, but has been given a chance off 147, only a alb higher than when winning the Bet365 in 2014. As seen with Different Gravey last weekend, Henderson can get them ready after a lengthy layoff. Similarly Ruben Cotter returns from nearly a year out and while a mark of 140 looks quite lofty, he won really well at Kempton in the Silver Bowl last year. Both at 16/1 would be my each way plays.

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    Theatre Guide looks really well handicapped and is a consistent sort, so he’s a big fancy.

    Might put a small saver on Hadrians Approach. He’s slipped to an appealing mark and as stated before Nicky Henderson is making a habit of bringing back these stars of yesteryear. Could well be overpriced.

    #1235295
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    Champagne West could be the best horse in this race by some way. I wasn’t willing to risk him on his jumping last time at 7/4, but am happy to do so at 5/1 with Coral’s money back on faller offer. I see O’Brien rides him; perhaps he gets on better with the horse.

    #1235314
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    Thanks guys

    Really got away this, but bloody hard work.

    Still badly want Champagne West to win, for that Gold Cup bet, but Theatre Guide the one for me today, and I’ve barely laid a bean on him.

    #1235333
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    Quite a big if but IF Champagne West jumps reasonably well I think he wins, 13/2 well worth taking, in fact anything bigger than 5/1 is a good price imo.

    If Champagne West doesn’t jump I can easily see Ziga Boy winning it. Progressive, should have his ground and stable in cracking form. Taken 15/2.

    I have those two quite a bit in front of the rest.

    If they go a strong pace then Le Reve could stay on past them. Got 10.5/1, if they go slow early I’ll be laying it back.

    Theatre Guide has a chance, but imo others are likely to have more improvement in them.
    Thomas Brown is interesting but the price has gone, is he Pricewise?

    I have those five taking out 62.5% of the book.

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    Have to say I’m totally mystified by this support for Champagne West. His career chase wins consist of one novice chase in which six fences were bypassed and another in which three ran and two finished. His sole try right handed ended in a fall and if you watch a replay of it, you’ll see a horse that is anything but comfortable jumping right handed, losing ground and momentum several times by putting in an extra stride as well as a wild guess at the first open ditch which he hits on the way down.

    Best of luck to his backers and I hope I’m wrong for your sake.

    #1235366
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    Spilt stakes on Thomas brown and theatre guide.

    GL everyone

    #1235397
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    Spilt stakes on Thomas brown and theatre guide.

    GL everyone

    That’s exactly what I did earlier in the week Wasp, lets hope one of the
    two bolts in :good:

    #1235408
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    Have to say I’m totally mystified by this support for Champagne West. His career chase wins consist of one novice chase in which six fences were bypassed and another in which three ran and two finished. His sole try right handed ended in a fall and if you watch a replay of it, you’ll see a horse that is anything but comfortable jumping right handed, losing ground and momentum several times by putting in an extra stride as well as a wild guess at the first open ditch which he hits on the way down.

    Best of luck to his backers and I hope I’m wrong for your sake.

    You’re right that Champagne West’s “career chase wins consist of one novice chase in which six fences were bypassed and another in which three ran and two finished” Alan. But that does not mean the horse has failed to run to form over a full circuit of fences or in a bigger field. Indeed, his best form performance has been in a 14 runner handicap (2nd). The Dipper Novice chase 2nd giving Ptit Zig a fright before a mistake at the last was also imo form at least as good as any other (7 ran). Albeit both at left-handed Cheltenham. Only raced once over fences away from Cheltenham, let alone right-handed. Although it is possible Champagne West has a left-handed bias it is just one run. Certainly never looked happy dropped out the back that day, seemed to be travelling better after a forward move before coming down. Looked happier since when tracking pace in the Caspian Caviar and mid-div last time. Is positioning rather than right/left anything to do with it? I know sometimes horses can prefer going one way without leaning that way; but there was no leaning left at Sandown; in fact – going in to the ditch (just before falling) he leant to the right.

    I know horses do often change from hurdles to fences so I don’t hold much to this stat, but Champagne West did win twice over hurdles including (according to Timeform) his best hurdle performance.

    Possibility of a left-handed bias worth taking in to account. However, hasn’t been a good jumper anywhere and although do expect him to fail in that department – at 13/2 think is worth taking a chance. I’m hoping Tom will keep Champagne West wide for an unhindered view or better still make the running; Tenor Nivernais and Thomas Brown are the most likely front runners, but neither actually need to lead imo.

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    #1235420
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    Spilt stakes on Thomas brown and theatre guide.

    GL everyone

    That’s exactly what I did earlier in the week Wasp, lets hope one of the
    two bolts in :good:

    You’re on with better prices then Big G. Let’s hope we get a good run for our hard earned

    #1235423
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    Spilt stakes on Thomas brown and theatre guide.

    GL everyone

    That’s exactly what I did earlier in the week Wasp, lets hope one of the
    two bolts in :good:

    You’re on with better prices then Big G. Let’s hope we get a good run for our hard earned

    As in my post on 23rd, THOMAS BROWN 12/1 and THEATRE GUIDE 14/1. Problem is,
    they can be as big a price as you like, they still have to win…..here’s
    hoping.

    #1235442
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    Not much money for my three. :scratch:

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    #1235447
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    Well done all Theatre Guide supporters – looked a different horse on decent ground and must have a chance at Cheltenham (Ultima and Kim Muir engagements – 10s and 12s respectively with 365 NRNB)

    What price Tizzard top British trainer? :)

    #1235448
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    Money told.
    Well done VTC, BigG, Wasps and Peter! :good:

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