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  • #434146
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    Chicago Grey

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    He is well-handicapped on his best form, stays (won the four-miler) and was unluckily wiped out last year. I need to watch the race again to see how he was handling the fences until that point but am quite keen. Gordon Elliot is adept at training horses for this race.

    I’ve seen quite a few tips for Chicago Grey over the past couple of weeks but I cannot fancy him at all. He only got as far as the 5th last year so it’s hard to say how he took to the fences. Outside of that though, his form over the past two years has been shocking really. A win at big odds on heavy going in a small field last time is the only semblance of form he brings to the race. Since going off 11/2 favourite for the Scottish Grand National in 2011 he has run in eleven races, including that one, failing to complete on three occasions and been beaten a total of 264 Lengths in the eight races he completed. That’s pretty dismal form and although Mon Mome won after being beaten a million miles previously, he was 100/1 while Chicago Grey is sitting at 12/1 with some firms. When you consider that Cappa Bleu was 4th last year, ran a great trial and is available at the same odds it makes you realise that there are many more mysteries for man to resolve before we consider the meaning of life. ps He’s grey as well

    Watching how CG jumps regulation fences i cannot have him for the National. He’s often fiddly or brushes through the top and picks his legs up late. You can’t do that too often at Aintree.

    On His Own was travelling supremely well last year, then two horses converged infront of him and the horses slowed and Townend lost the rhythm. If Ruby rides him he’ll have a better chance.

    Still interested in Join Together, Soll, Joncol, Roberto Goldback, and on g/s Cappa Bleu.

    #434152
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    Magnanimity out

    vf

    #434157
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    I was going to say 35 (as per the OP), as we have lost 4 already in the last 24hours and with a few possibly ground dependent I think low-mid thirties (which will please those calling for numbers to be reduced).

    I’ll say 33 (34 declared with a non-runner on the day)

    #434158
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    It’s the National and as usual every horse has a question mark; Jumping, stamina, weight, ground, will they handle the track, running style, trainer..

    Anybody like to put up Cappa Bleu’s ?

    Maybe age but history says otherwise and he hasn’t exactly had a long, exhaustive career.

    Lee

    #434159
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    Magnanimity out

    vf

    Blimey VF have you got some sort of GN videprinter in your house

    #434160
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    To be fair, these have already been committed to other engagements, eg Fairyhouse.

    #434161
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    Magnanimity out

    vf

    Blimey VF have you got some sort of GN videprinter in your house

    If so… where can i get one? :D

    Had a small saver on Auroras Encore at 100’s. A horse i’ve always fancied for the National one day and his runner up in the Scottish National gives me plenty of faith in his stamina. Has also run alright with big weights on bad ground all season, so i really couldn’t resist. Sure he didn’t make the "definitive list", but one can’t help these little things :)

    I can see my final selections being…

    Roberto Goldback
    Bostons Angel
    Balthazar King
    Auroras Encore

    #434167
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    Don’t you think these poor runs (apart from the Scottish National I suppose) can be put down to the horse being nursed through the season with Aintree in mind?

    If that was the way he was campaigned last season it must have been a major blow to see him out of the race so early. I feel he has deteriorated over the past couple of seasons and although his two previous unseats and a fall form less than 10% of his runs, it does cast a doubt. If he were bigger odds I would not blame anyone for taking a chance in the hope that his trainer can work a Mon Mome style oracle with him, but at 12/1 I think he is way below the odds he should be given several runs, over a reasonably long period, where he was out with the washing.

    At the current market prices, of the first six in the betting, I would be with On His Own, Cappa Bleu and Colbert Station and would be against SeaBass, Chicago Grey and Teaforthree.

    On His Own and Seabass are silly prices now at around 8/1 and any value is long gone there. I selected On His Own and tipped him up in the Lays and Plays section at 25/1 back in October, sadly for me I have the ability to get the price but not the winner, as my 25/1 Canford Cliffs and 16/1 Maybe Guineas tickets can attest to!!

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Magnanimity out

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    Blimey VF have you got some sort of GN videprinter in your house

    wish i did then i could tell you all the winner before race lol

    my bets still standing are balthezar king, always waining, on his own, cappa bleu

    vf

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    well imperial commander confirmed runner now, and also always waining too

    vf

    #434210
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    updated again today

    vf

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    I really like the look of Imperial Commander before his injury he was rated 185 even though he has top weight if he were to run to that rating he would have at least 20lbs in hand of anything else. He ticks all the right boxes in my mind for a possible grand national winner ie won over 3miles won a race worth more that 39K.
    He is a 12-y-o but has only had 20 races so is still lightly raced?
    The only thing in my mind that is against him is the fact he is carrying 11st 10lb
    Neptune Collonges carried 11st 6lb last year and you have to go back to Red Rum 11st 8lb and 12st and then to Freebooter in 1950.
    Anyway I hope he gets a run as I am on at 40’1 small stakes £20 for my first ever ante post bet!!!

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    well imperial commander confirmed runner now, and also always waining too

    vf

    That’s great news, but please tell me, where did you get it from.

    Found it http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news … r-go-ahead

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    I like Imperial Commander a lot, but I don’t see him as a National type. He is quite heavy-topped and can also be keen. As much chance of pulling up as completing imo.

    Just looking down the list, a lot of horses at the front of the market seem very short for what they’ve done, not least the favourite, who also goes there with the memory of a bad fall at Becher’s.

    Quel Esprit at 50s is about 3 times the price he should be imo.

    #434225
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    Across The Bay looks like the latest one out, rumour is expected to be confirmed tomorrow, certainly on the drift on Betfair.

    #434228
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    Crikey; I only have to blink and another horse gets pulled out. Steeplechasing; I had a dream the other night that Quel Esprit won the National

    . Trainer has always said he’s a good jumper and has just been unlucky. Backed him ages ago at 50’s but didn’t expect him to have quite so much weight back then. Of course, in the dream it was a grey horse so there is a slight chance that it was dear old Swing Bill [who I’ve also backed] or Chicago Grey [who I haven’t]. But I asked someone in the dream and they said it was Quel Esprit.

    #434231
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    There’s been no word from connections yet moe, and always a chance it’s just a rumour. Only £2 waiting to back him at £880’s on Betfair, his price has been yo-yoing the last few hours, but starting to get backed at the lower odds again.

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