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Love those stories, thank you.
Will look out with interest for Hammy’s post regarding the mysterious colours and the predicted winner of the Derby.
Wasn’t there some gypsy fortune teller who used to go around the Downs fortelling the winner many years back?Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Frederico Tesio held that the timing of the Derby was sacrosanct. It allows us to compare different generations in terms of their maturity to be able to cope with the sternest test of a horse’s confirmation and ability over 12 furlongs. Hence, all Derby winners are given a chance at stud because they have proved themselves to be both precocious and possessed of stamina. He observed that 3 generations is the longest continuous line of sires. This helps to ensure that the breed does not become too one-dimensional.
These are;
Spearmint-Spion Kop-Felstead
Mill Reef-Shirley Heights-Slip AnchorIf trainers do not aim their best middle distance 3yo horses at the Derby, it can only be down to laziness on their part.
Very interesting.
Despite adding an "r" to the great man’s name, I also missed 3 earlier examples.
Doncaster-Bend Or-Ormonde
Bay Middleton-The Flying Dutchman-Ellington
Waxy-Whalebone-Moses, Lapdog and SpanielIf you can get a copy of Breeding the Racehorse by Tesio, do not hesitate.
I have thought the thought myself. This Derby doesn’t look very interesting. At the moment Camalot crossed the line as the winner of the 2000 Guineas, many of us said, Ok, he’s the Derby winner too.
Maybe we forgot to look behind the results of the other participants in the Derby, maybe there is a dark horse in the Derby field who will thrill us, or maybe Camalot will follow Bahram, Isinglass, West Australian and the other triple crown winners.
And let me mention a poor Derby winner: HenbitThat’s right, the old A445 (Bury Road.)
I will post a picture of said grave on Derby day.
That’s right, the old A45 (Bury Road.)
I will post a picture of said grave on Derby day.
Seems like the absence of Frankel has sloshed interesty in the live horses and people of statue surroundingh the Derby.Without Stouty and Henry who cares? It’s not a GB race anymore.Hope we can win the Coronation Cup in such a year as this.Never mind we can always pee on the statue if we have no reason to celebrate.What year is it anyway? Has Frankel stepped up to a mile and two yet? 2012 Really!
Most of Montjeu’s Derby winners were not worth a damn.
I think you need to elaborate on that rather sweeping and spurious statement.
Surely, barring accidents, this year’s Derby is a mere formality. Camelot looks a class apart from the rest.
I wasn’t overly impressed with Bonfire. He seems a highly strung type.
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Small field this year, but I think it’ll be a really good race.
Price for Camelot is too short, but can’t look beyond him. Th formbook through Fencing and French Fifteen suggests that Camelot has the beating of him
Fencing was 6L behind at Newmarket and 2 1/2 L at Doncaster, which Camelot won easily. Bonfire was 4 3/4 l in front in the Dante
Bonfire lost to French Fiteen by 1 3/4 L last year and obviously Camelot beat him over a distance he’d have wanted further on as well as better ground in the 2000 guineas.
But, not much in it and we don’t know how they will handle Epsom
camelot is very much respected, but the form of his 2000 guineas win has taken a few knocks (for example 3rd placed hermival dissapointing at the curragh) and for that reason I can’t touch him at the very short odds available.
i’ve decided to get involved with bonfire. hopefully he’ll be set alight at the two furlong marker
camelot is very much respected, but the form of his 2000 guineas win has taken a few knocks (for example 3rd placed hermival dissapointing at the curragh) and for that reason I can’t touch him at the very short odds available.
i’ve decided to get involved with bonfire. hopefully he’ll be set alight at the two furlong marker
Good lad, Elgran, Bonfire will definitely burn them all off….
If Aidan didn’t think Joseph was a certainty he would have left the others in the race especially Imperial Monarch.What was the last time Aidan had but two in the Derby?Look how many he left in the Oaks, meaning he does not think Joseph is certain to win it.My vote goes to Murtagh in the Oaks.Incidentally it will be interesting to see if Moore is riding a pacemaker or a genuine Derby hope.
I see the bbc are going into overdrive with their hype of camelot. if he doesn’t win by at least five lengths, pulling a train, it’s going to be a huge let-down. personally I think bonfire is going to upset the hype bandwagon.
I cant decide if Camelot won the Guineas a little cheekily or whether he only just got up. I’ve re-watched the race a few times and looking at him in running it is difficult to think he isn’t all out to get in front of FF.
I think he may well flop tomorrow. I’m always happy to see brilliant horses run, so if he does win doing handstands then I’ll be as impressed as anyone else.
In the absence of any real fancy other than the O’brien horse then I’ve elected to have a bit each way on Rugged Cross at a whopping 66/1. The draw isn’t great but it’s not a huge field. I could see him running into a place.
Good luck everybody.
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