2012 Arkle

Hardly makes HGM a villain because he changed his opinion on a race.

Zark you are just a lowlife who can’t discuss anything without being abusive.

You talk like something out of the gutter and have no place in a forum of this standard.

Never once have I abused another poster on apart from in my defence. I try to put forward a sensible well thought out argument and ask nothing more than that others do the same.

Your friend above tells me I am talking out of my earhole but offers no counter to my reply and gets abusive simply because he doesn’t have the savvy to come up with a sensible reply and doesn’t want to admit he got it wrong.

So he mentions your name to get support and what do you in you come guns blazing.

You proved how much me being right bugs you by saying you want to see Sprinter Sacre get beat.

I would also point out to you that in my very first post in the Arkle thread I said I like SS and I thought he was a gangly baby the previous year and could be anything. That was well before he an so don’t tell me I hadn’t thought about the horse.

The the day he won he was still backable at 10/1 for a short time and at 9/1 and 8/1 it is still available for all to see on betting index dates and all.. The morning after the race I posted this:

He wasn’t just good for a novice he was awesome and some of his jumping would have Arkle himself turning in his grave and thinking was that me.

An awesome display with awesome potential has me well and truly sold that this horse will win the Arkle.

Now what do you think I was doing right after he won if those were my thoughts on the race. Plus please post the thread where I said I had a big bet on him at 10/1……..as you well know I said no such thing. You made an ass of yourself misreading a post which I pointed out to you but that didn’t suit you to a knowledge it now did it?

I have never flinched since. Every thing I have said about the horse including kicking Peddler’s Cross into touch has been 100% right and if you or anyone else want to fancy something else that’s fine but I will still debate why I think they wont.

That is what a forum is all about it is not a place for you with your lowlife attitude to slag of other members because you disagree with hem.

The first 4 pages are full of posts from you slamming Al Ferof down peoples throats and telling us how great he was and what he was going to do.

You took the hump because I put up a sensible argument and shattered your dreams.

It is blatantly obvious you were mustard keen on Al Ferof so don’t make out 105 at 12/1 is peanuts to you.

At the end of the day he could still win no matter if I write 1000 words a day saying he wont.

Trained by Paul Nichols ridden by the best NH jockey of all time a course winner and you’ve got 12/1 is a helluva lot going for you. Plus if he wins you can say I told you so wheras if Sprinter Sacre wins I am only one of thousands who have already said he’s the best thing since sliced bread.

You should have the good manners to defend your take on the race without resorting to such unpleasant behaviour which does nothing but drive others away.

To be hones I can’t believe how childish you are for a grown man but I’m going to let it go and just post like you don’t exist until you learn some manners.

Never

Is this what it’s come, a thread dedicated to ‘Zarks v Hurdy’?

Lol these two crack me up tbfh.

Back on topic how can we see the tactics playing out? I can see Cue Card & PC kicking on from the front. SS just in behind with Al Ferof creeping through the race from off the pace. Have to say I can’t see AF out of the three unless he gets terribly outpaced but he should be ok. It will certainly be run to suit. I’m hoping SS will come off the corner in front and stretch clear but if anything goes wrong Al Ferof the most likely to pick up the pieces. Should really be 2nd fav.

Zarks is a pretty blunt character who tends to have odd mood swings and can perhaps be too dimissive of some horses, but in general his analysis is always interesting and thought provoking. I can certainly believe he makes money.

Hurdy is just the weirdest person i’ve ever seen on a message board. He’s not quite creepy, but nearly is, but the way he talks is just odd. He talks about every character like he knows them personally, and when he talks about a horse, he talks like he’s the horse himself. His banner "I am sprinter Sacre, you can call me the fast one" is the single oddest thing i’ve ever read on a forum. It’s just weird. Really really weird. Does he think he’s the horse?

I just imagine a middle aged man dressed in a horse costume when i think of Hurdy.

Zarkava is objective and critical, Hurdy is just a rather insane middle aged man who loves horse racing but is very incoherent when conveying his thoughts. You can’t fault his love of the sport, but it’s very odd.

Thank you, J. You’re right about some things and wrong about others. 29 bets this year, £442.02 in profit. It’s my bluntness that leads to me showing a profit. Quiet time of year so only proper bet I had was £150 at 11/4 for the Top 4 Seeds to reach the semi-finals of the Aussie Open. Also had £50 on the Ravens to win the Superbowl at 15/2, which of all the bets I’ve placed this year, particularly hurts. I’m trying to keep my total number of bets this year down to 250, to be more selective. Hopefully then can go through them all, see where I’m going wrong and then go for 200 next year. The more clinical you are, the more profit you make.

And Hurdy is not middle-aged. He’s actually very old, I’d say mid-70s. He’s very knowledgable, everybody knows that, but he is a very strange character. He made mention of the build-up to Sea Biscuit vs War Admiral in 1938 while we were all discussing the imminent race between Peddler’s Cross and Sprinter Sacre . He lives in South-East Asia, Thailand I believe. Whether it’s to be believed or not, but he made a thread about 3 years ago under his old username ‘Fist of Fury 2k’ or something similar. The opening paragraph said he’d bet a maximum of 20,000 (Baht, I presume) a time, and the very first bet he placed was for 1000 or 2000, I don’t remember. In August 2008 things started going very badly and in one day he just went utterly insane, losing big bet after big bet. He then wrote on here that he staked and lost 1.8 million on Canford Cliffs in the Morny. His reaction seemed genuine and the fact he left the forum soon after I think proves it was genuine. In my eyes, at least.

He spotted Binocular after his debut & he’s put up several winners on here, most of them at sub-3/1 but that doesn’t matter because most of them have won. A couple of times we’ve actually been decent ‘friends’ on TRF, but unfortunately we both have explosive personalities and when we clash, it’s ugly. Unfortunately at the moment I’m unemployed and therefore have far too much time to reply.

This latest episode is unfortunate because we’ve been ignoring each other’s posts for the last 3 or 4 weeks and forum life was much better for everybody, so I’m sorry for everybody that Hurdy took my post as an insult (which it really wasn’t) and that I reacted in the way I did on this thread and the Triumph thread.

Thank you, J. You’re right about some things and wrong about others. 29 bets this year, £442.02 in profit. It’s my bluntness that leads to me showing a profit. Quiet time of year so only proper bet I had was £150 at 11/4 for the Top 4 Seeds to reach the semi-finals of the Aussie Open. Also had £50 on the Ravens to win the Superbowl at 15/2, which of all the bets I’ve placed this year, particularly hurts. I’m trying to keep my total number of bets this year down to 250, to be more selective. Hopefully then can go through them all, see where I’m going wrong and then go for 200 next year. The more clinical you are, the more profit you make.

I wouldn’t refer to myself as professional, but i play poker regularly and would deem myself as a solid winner. Personally i don’t gamble on horse racing (Well, i’ve had a few Cheltenham bets) as i believe it to be an entirely more difficult long-term proposition, so if you can win capital over a long and relatively large same size then applaud that.

And Hurdy is not middle-aged. He’s actually very old, I’d say mid-70s. He’s very knowledgable, everybody knows that, but he is a very strange character. He made mention of the build-up to Sea Biscuit vs War Admiral in 1938 while we were all discussing the imminent race between Peddler’s Cross and Sprinter Sacre . He lives in South-East Asia, Thailand I believe. Whether it’s to be believed or not, but he made a thread about 3 years ago under his old username ‘Fist of Fury 2k’ or something similar. The opening paragraph said he’d bet a maximum of 20,000 (Baht, I presume) a time, and the very first bet he placed was for 1000 or 2000, I don’t remember. In August 2008 things started going very badly and in one day he just went utterly insane, losing big bet after big bet. He then wrote on here that he staked and lost 1.8 million on Canford Cliffs in the Morny. His reaction seemed genuine and the fact he left the forum soon after I think proves it was genuine. In my eyes, at least.

Personally, i thought Sprinter Sacre was also a monster coming into the you. I did believe he was the best long-term prospect from the Supreme last year. Although i also thouught Mon Parrain was going to exceptional this year and thought we had another Mastermind type.

Interesting. I don’t doubt Hurdy has great racing trivia knowledge, but he’s particular poor at constructing articulate arguments from what i’ve read. He is generally the oddest character (Batty may be the word, and at 22, i don’t think i’ve ever used that word in this context before) i’ve ever seen.

He spotted Binocular after his debut & he’s put up several winners on here, most of them at sub-3/1 but that doesn’t matter because most of them have won. A couple of times we’ve actually been decent ‘friends’ on TRF, but unfortunately we both have explosive personalities and when we clash, it’s ugly. Unfortunately at the moment I’m unemployed and therefore have far too much time to reply.

I don’t doubt he has a solid racing eye, but rather based on intuition rather than any cohesive or analytical ability. His posts are infuriating to read, because it’s largely the same text re-formatted ever so slightly every time, and he tends to ignore any suggested flaws in his argument.

Binocular is crap. He was a superb 4yo but has only gone downhill from there. He put in one good performance – and even then, against what? His performance the other day was not him being quick, it was Celestial Halo being slow.

I only found out the other week from an unnamed source, but Graham Cunningham alluded to the same fact on twitter earlier on. It’s a tweet he sent to Paddy Power. If you look, you’ll find it. For the exact same reason Binocular was a non-runner in last year’s race.

And Long Run is $hit, but not in the way you think I mean it. He was getting beaten over 3-miles by an 11yo. The reigning Gold Cup horse is supposed to be the best horse in training, one that could maybe even win a Queen Mother. People slagged off Best Mate but at least he was winning Lexi/Ericssons and King Georges & Peterboroughs too. Long Run has won 3 races from his last 6 – a King George against an underpar Kauto, a Gold Cup when he only hit the front 2 out and his prep the other day. He’s running to big ratings when he wins because he’s beating good horses, but he’s so freaking one-dimensional. He’s not a quick horse – he’s an out-and-out stayer. No way on earth could he have won an Arkle like Best Mate would have but for foot & mouth. I think he’d walk all over the Grand National given a clear round of jumping. He’s that slow. He’s off the bridle 6f from home in all his races and he only starts to assert late in the day. I think he’ll win this year’s Gold Cup simply because Kauto is now 12 and the rest of them aren’t even as good as 170.

Next year he’ll have a revitalised (hopefully) Captain Chris, Finian’s Rainbow stepping up in trip, Rubi Light, Al Ferof, etc to face, and he won’t stand a chance over any trips shorter than 3m 2 1/2f.

And as for yesterday’s ‘saga’. You took offence, so did Betlarge. The person I aimed the post at laughed about it and Ricky Lake and Joni told you both to smell the coffee.

We have a different definitions of rubbish horses. Infact i don’t really think any horse is rubbish because they all give it a go, so maybe my post has less validity. In the context of ratings and achievement though, i think the two afformentioned horses are very good. I’d say Binocular has good claims at getting at least a placed in the CH, and if i was pushed i’d say Long Run is the one they all have to beat. There’s only one way to find out. Giving a horse like Burton Port a beating and 10 pounds shouldn’t be overlooked.