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Interesting replay. They appear about five lengths off Jaguar Mail though.
Don’t know what you guys think, but I can’t remember a time when there has been so many chances for the cups coming from all directions. I’ve attempted to make a shortlist of those I want to get early odds on, however my list is still up around 50! I don’t know where to look.
With so many internationals coming out, not to mention all the expats (Williams and Freedman) there’s probably only about 12 spots in the 24 for the locals in the big one. It’s going to be hard enough getting a run in the lead up races.
By the way it would be a good idea to dismiss Lord’s Ransoms last campaign in Melbourne with Peter Morgan. The horse wasn’t right, and I don’t think Peter quite knew what to do with him. Those Wilde lads will figure him out. The horse is a gun
P.S – Not sure about More Joyous, she just has that look about her. Win a couple lead ups then unfortunately go amiss. She’s worth too much in the breeding barn to push her too far
I’m the last one to try to give betting advice. However, tried to look for a horse that is qualified, will be aimed at the race, and will get into the race, is 100+ on betfair, and then I decided to add the condition that the horse hasn’t run in the race before. The latter ruled out Master O’Reilly, Harris Tweed and Moatize. Left with Drunken Sailor, but there is still the doubt over whether he won $60000+ in the Galway race.
I wonder how many of your Melbourne Cup fans were on the gamble landed at Galway last night?
Japanese trained POP ROCK (beaten a short head in The Melbourne Cup) won the last at Galway under Fran Berry, backed from 8-1 down to 9-2. Is this the first Japanese trained winner at Ballybrit? Almost certaintly!
Appologies for not putting the tip up in this thread…I didn’t think
but I did post the tip in plenty time on my lays & playsVideo of Shoot Out’s win in the Bletchingly (6 furlongs) today ought to be here:-
http://horseracing.bigpondsport.com/liv … fault.aspx
I’d read earlier that he would have problems with Moonee Valley for the Cox Plate, but he seemed to rail the bend okay today.
Haven’t been able to get decent/any television reception since yesterday lunchtime. My theory is that a large seagull landed on the areial and dislodged it.
Didn’t see the Glorious, just listened to it. Whispering Gallery folded tamely, so at the moment it looks unlikely he’ll make the trip as he still hasn’t passed the first ballot clause. I’m rather surprised by this as I was thinking earlier this year that the Godolphin horse to go for would be one running well in Dubai.
Interesting replay. They appear about five lengths off Jaguar Mail though.
Don’t know what you guys think, but I can’t remember a time when there has been so many chances for the cups coming from all directions. I’ve attempted to make a shortlist of those I want to get early odds on, however my list is still up around 50! I don’t know where to look.
With so many internationals coming out, not to mention all the expats (Williams and Freedman) there’s probably only about 12 spots in the 24 for the locals in the big one. It’s going to be hard enough getting a run in the lead up races.
By the way it would be a good idea to dismiss Lord’s Ransoms last campaign in Melbourne with Peter Morgan. The horse wasn’t right, and I don’t think Peter quite knew what to do with him. Those Wilde lads will figure him out. The horse is a gun
P.S – Not sure about More Joyous, she just has that look about her. Win a couple lead ups then unfortunately go amiss. She’s worth too much in the breeding barn to push her too far
You are fitting in perfectly here Anthony…the more the merrier!
I agree – I’m thinking, including exports, there may be even less than 12.
Lloyd seems to have three main exports on the Cups trail – Alandi, Mourayan and Grand Ducal.
Freedman has Speed Gifted, Above Average, Fanjura and Ajhar. He may have Doctor Fremantle going that way too, while Savarain is injured and won’t be seen.
And there are others too – Noonan has Buccellati, Waller has some (although none are likely to get to the Melbourne Cup).
The local horses are going to have to be good to get in to the field.
Look, every way I look at the race – it is going to be a fantastic Melbourne Cup. No way it can’t be, especially if the Japanese get down.
Leigh Jordon told me a few weeks ago that he was expecting between four and eight horses from Europe – that was when the Japanese were unlikely. With three, or possibly four, Japanese, that takes the international count POSSIBLY to 12, although it may be less.
It means possibly that only the classy horses will get a start, it will be difficult for horses who aren’t classy to get a start.
I guess that’s a good thing though – hopefully some horses that would never have even considered a run in the race may run – I’m thinking specifically Whobegotyou, although I doubt he’d win.
I’d love to see So You Think in there, but realistically he needs to run top 3 in the Cox Plate to qualify.
I still like Monaco Consul.
Kavanagh was toying with running Whobegotyou in the Melbourne Cup last year, until whatever went wrong in the Cox Plate.
Well Monaco Consul will certainly make the field, and he’ll stay all day. Did Mike Moroney ever offer a reason as to what happened in NZ during summer??? Cause I agree he ticks all the boxes, and for mine he had Shoot Out nailed in the AJC Derby if there were another 30m or so. I just can’t get his NZ form out of my head. What happened???
Gerald I think your right about massive odds. After all there the most entertaining bets. The likes of Faint Perfume and Linton are both around 15-1, and those odds are likely to be avaliable most of the Spring. There looks to be plenty of good horses with 100’s or better on offer.
Bloody mouthwatering stuff though!
Hopefully there will be a few absentees from the noms on Monday to help narrow things down a bit.
I’ll take the ridiculous odds on the Perth Cup quinella just to start off.
They will probably remain that way though Anthony, just be cautious.
Unless they run massively first up, they may drift.
I guess that’s the risk you have to take.
Sad news though – Gloria De Campeao won’t be seen down here, has been retired immediately after a tendon injury overnight.
It is looking increasingly likely that Americain will be coming to Melbourne.
The 2nd Macau galloper, who I couldn’t figure out, is a horse called Good Control, a sprinter.
Cummings has almighty team for spring majors
Legendary trainer Bart Cummings, fresh from his best season in twenty years, is preparing for another assault on the big spring races.
Last year, Cummings won the Caulfield Cup with the ill-fated Viewed and the Cox Plate with three year old So You Think.
He also won the Toorak Handicap (Allez Wonder), VRC Oaks (Faint Perfume), Australian Guineas (Rock Classic), Vinery Stud Stakes (Faint Perfume) and Queensland Derby (Dariana), taking his Group 1 tally to seven.
As always, however, Cummings is looking forward to a big spring with large nominations for the major spring races.
In a sneak peek ahead of tomorrow’s nominations, the stable has informed Just Horse Racing that they hold twelve nominations for the Melbourne Cup and twelve nominations for the Cox Plate.
His bid for a 13th Melbourne Cup will be headlined by current favourite, VRC Oaks winner Faint Perfume.
However, his “back-ups” are definitely no slouches.
They include Cox Plate winner So You Think, Australian Cup winner Sirmione, Queensland Derby winners Empires Choice and Dariana, Australian Cup placegetter Moatize and Manion Cup winner Precedence.
Rounding out his nominations are improving stayers Brightnight, Landlord and Star Ripper, and enigmatic gallopers Joe Blow and Zabdued.
His Cox Plate team also looks very strong, with last year’s winner So You Think to be aimed at a title defence.
Group 1 winners Allez Wonder, Dariana, Faint Perfume, Rock Classic and Sirmione are also entered, along with the Group 1 placed Latin News and the stakes-placed Landlord.
Interestingly, Cummings has entered four three-year-olds for the race, led by Fernhill Handicap winner Kudakulari.
Big Storm, Good View and Skorost are his other entrants.
It is a team which any trainer would relish, and a Cummings victory in either race will be well received by all.
Just Horse Racing will have the nominations first when they are released tomorrow afternoon.
Written by Andrew Hawkins
02 Aug 2010Oh what a tease, Naval Escort isn’t in that list.
Main bets are
Caulfield – Rebel Raider
Cox – Metal Bender
Melbourne – Drunken SailorHe’s not nominated Gerald – that’s the official list, I’ve listed all of them
Maybe he’s not with Bart anymore?
I’m used to it.
Here’s something different – from the
Newcastle Herald
. Only Melbourne Cup related news is about Newport, but I thought I’d post it all.
Elimbari groomed for greatness: Lees aiming for Princess repeat
BY GEOFF WILSON
02 Aug, 2010 04:00 AMNEWCASTLE trainer Kris Lees will set promising filly Elimbari the difficult task of attempting to emulate the deeds of former champion Samantha Miss this spring.
But she is just one of many Hunter horses chasing big races this spring.
¦ Trainer Paul Perry will aim Newport at running in his third straight Melbourne Cup (3200m), as well as the Caulfield Cup (2400m) and group 3 Newcastle Cup (2300m).
¦ Todd Howlett will use the group 3 Cameron Handicap (1300m) at Newcastle as Star Of Octagonal’s main lead-up to the group 1 Epsom (1600m) at Randwick.
¦ Testarhythm, which Darren Smith trains, will be nominated tomorrow for the group 1 Caulfield Guineas (1600m) and may run in the group 1 Golden Rose (1400m) at Rosehill.
¦ Parriwi (Kris Lees) is being aimed at the group 1 Thousand Guineas at Caulfield over 1600m for three-year-old fillies.
¦ Lees will begin Timetable’s run for the Newcastle Cup and the listed Wyong Cup (2100m) at Randwick on Saturday.
¦ Prince Braeman (Perry) is in line to add to his black-type victories in Sydney and Brisbane by claiming the Cameron Handicap.
Lees said he is planning to send Elimbari, which showed plenty of talent in her two-year-old season, along the same track as Samantha Miss as a three-year-old.
This means Lees is likely to give her a shot at greatness by running her in the four-race Princess Series in Sydney, for three-year-old fillies that Samantha Miss dominated in 2008.
Samantha Miss became only the second filly, after Angst in 1993, to win the Silver Shadow Stakes (1200m), Furious Stakes (1400m), Tea Rose Stakes (1500m) and the Flight Stakes (1600m), which make up the series.
Lees has been impressed with Elimbari since she returned from her break.
The youngster is by Fastnet Rock from former star Newcastle mare Shalt Not, which makes her a half-sister to the ill-fated Amelia’s Dream.
Amelia’s Dream was considered a good thing to win the Golden Slipper three years ago after she blitzed the Silver Slipper, but those dreams were shattered when she broke down during her win.
Elimbari showed she has a fair splash of her big sister’s ability when she scored on debut in Sydney and was posted immediately as favourite for the Golden Slipper.
She finished second to Solar Charged in the Kindergarten Stakes and fifth of eight in the Reisling Stakes in March 8 before running third to Crystal Lily in the Golden Slipper on April 3.
"Elimbari was over the top by the Golden Slipper," Lees said.
"But what do you do? They only get one chance at that big race, so we took it on, but the experience she gained in the big time can only help her cope with what is to come.
"She has toughened up and looks great since her spell."
Lees will trial Elimbari at Broadmeadow today and she will kick off in the Silver Shadow over 1200m at Warwick Farm on August 21.
"If she did go well first-up, she would follow the same path as Samantha Miss," he said.
"Of course I won’t get another Samantha Miss, but I think Elimbari deserves her chance.
"Samantha Miss was just too good for the other fillies of her year, and I do think Elimbari will show she is competitive in the same sort of races."
Lees said Parriwi, which went from winning at Port Macquarie to scoring in Sydney and Brisbane as a two-year-old, deserved a crack at a race like the Thousand Guineas at Caulfield next month.
"I have no doubt Parriwi will run out a metric mile and the Thousand Guineas is the group 1 race for the girls over 1600 metres, so she will get her chance to show she is good enough to go south for it," Lees said.
Another Lees two-year-old, Dove Lake, is back in work.
The filly out of former Oakleigh Plate winner River Dove will play a hand in the spring.
"Dove Lake showed in her debut win that she is an out-and-out sprinter, so I am looking for a couple of the sprints over the spring for her," Lees said.
He is also the new trainer of former English horse Timetable and Villiers, which is owned by Lloyd Williams.
Australian Bloodstock bought both the horses for Newcastle clients.
Timetable, which won a Broadmeadow barrier trial in impressive fashion last week, is due to kick off for Lees on Saturday at Randwick.
Lee Freedman had Timetable but the horse did not make it to the Caulfield Cup or Melbourne Cup last year.
Villiers, which has been lightly raced, is being aimed at the $75,000 Broadmeadow Mile over 1600m on Newcastle Cup day.
Perry said that Prince Braeman, which won in Sydney and was successful in the Chief De Beers Stakes at Doomben, in Brisbane, might resume on Saturday at Randwick in the Missile Stakes.
Danny Nikolic has been booked for the ride.
Newport may return in the listed Starlight Stakes (1100m) at Rosehill on August 14.
Perry hopes Prince Braeman will give him the first leg of the biggest double in Newcastle racing.
The gelding is being aimed at the $150,000 Cameron Handicap, on September 15.
The following day Perry will be out to win the $185,000 Newcastle Gold Cup with Newport.
"I could not be happier with Prince Braeman and Newport," he said.
"They had a nice spell in the Queensland winter warmth and they have come back in fine fettle.
"Newport will be nominated for both the Caulfield Cup and the Melbourne Cup, and I think he could be ready for the Newcastle Cup in September."
Lower Belford trainer Todd Howlett said Star Of Octagonal was back in work after the amazing preparation in which he won the South Pacific Stakes at Rosehill over 1400m and the $750,000 Inglis Guineas over 1600m at Scone.
"I won’t push the horse but the plan is to run him in Sydney first-up and then the Cameron Handicap," Howlett said.
"If he gets through that well he will go on to the Epsom and possibly Melbourne after that.
"All I san say is that he had a great spell, because he looks brilliant right now.
"I am hoping to get permission to bring him to Newcastle to work a few times, like I did before he won at Scone."
Smith was overjoyed with the first-up win of Testarhythm at Canterbury last Wednesday.
"This is a real good horse and I am going to pay up for him on Tuesday for the Caulfield Guineas," the in-form trainer said.
"He has done enormous with that first-up run under his belt and he might even get into the Golden Rose with a bit of luck."
Had better post this, as the thread has adopted the Newcastle Cup. (I’m just interested in seeing whether a roughie can work its way through to the Caulfield/Melbourne Cups.)
¦ Acceptances for the Newcastle Cup will be taken a day earlier than normal this year, at 11am on Monday, September 13.
Acceptances for the Cameron and Wednesday races on the first day of the carnival will be taken at 9am on the same day.
Cup acceptances have come forward so Newcastle Jockey Club can conduct a barrier draw on the Monday afternoon at its gala awards presentation day for this season. The TAB will also put up markets for the Cup and the Cameron on the Monday afternoon.
"De Kock stated that Bold SIlvano is a World Cup or Cox Plate horse while Irish Flame is more a Melbourne Cup type of horse.
"De Kock was talking of the Australian races as possible targets
next year
but confirmed they would be running in Dubai next season."
Blue entered for Melbourne Cup
(UKPA) – 54 minutes ago
Illustrious Blue has been given an entry in the Melbourne Cup following his impressive success at Goodwood last week.
The seven-year-old has proved a revelation since being stepped up to two miles this season, winning Ascot’s Sagaro Stakes and Thursday’s Group Two Goodwood Cup.
"We’ve given him an entry in both the Caulfield Cup and the Melbourne Cup," said trainer William Knight.
"That just keeps our options open and we can make definite plans nearer the time.
"He’s come out of his Goodwood race very well and we might look at the Lonsdale Cup at York next on August 18.
"There is also the Doncaster Cup to consider but obviously if we do head out to Australia, he doesn’t want to be running too many more times in England.
"He’d have to go through the quarantine and all that sort of stuff. It’s a big call taking a horse all the way down there, but he has the entry now so we have the option."
but I did post the tip in plenty time on my lays & plays
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