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  • #9951
    Venusian
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    Here are the official world rankings for 2008, gleaned from the International Federation Of Horseracing Authorities site.

    They’ve chickened out a bit in the stayer’s division, I feel!

    Rank Horse Rating Trained
    1 CURLIN (USA) 130 USA
    1 NEW APPROACH (IRE) 130 IRE
    3 RAVEN’S PASS (USA) 129 GB
    4 ZARKAVA (IRE) 128 FR
    5 DUKE OF MARMALADE (IRE) 127 IRE
    6 BIG BROWN (USA) 125 USA
    6 CONDUIT (IRE) 125 GB
    6 GOLDIKOVA (IRE) 125 FR
    6 HENRYTHENAVIGATOR (USA) 125 IRE
    6 MONTMARTRE (FR) 125 FR
    6 YOUMZAIN (IRE) 125 GB
    6 ZENYATTA (USA) 125 USA

    TOP RANKED PERFORMER FOR EACH DISTANCE CATEGORY

    The Top Ranked Performers – SPRINT Category

    MIDNIGHT LUTE (USA) 123

    SACRED KINGDOM 123

    The Top Ranked Performer – MILE Category

    CURLIN (USA) 130

    The Top Ranked Performers – INTERMEDIATE Category

    9.5f – 10.5f : 1900m – 2100m

    CURLIN(USA) 130

    NEW APPROACH (IRE) 130

    The Top Ranked Performer – LONG Category

    10.51f – 13.5f : 2101m – 2700m

    ZARKAVA (IRE) 128

    The Top Ranked Performers – EXTENDED Category

    13.51f + : 2701m+

    CONDUIT (IRE) 122

    SEPTIMUS (IRE) 122

    YEATS (IRE) 122

    #203847
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    I’ve been told Weekend Hussler is the top rated 3YO sprinter in the world.

    I can only imagine our press is clutching at straws here. Who else is in "that category"?

    #203851
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    Overdose
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    edit: didn’t remember Kingsgate Native until I was in the shower, and by then I’d turned the computer off.

    #203868
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    Sheikh Mohammed will be pleased.

    The ratings are a little dubious in my opinion. Especially given Henry’s record against New Approach and in particular Raven’s Pass.

    #203869
    Salselon
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    I disagree Aragorn. Both horses improved massively for initial defeats to Henry when either tried over their correct distance or ridden properly.

    #203870
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    Sheikh Mohammed will be pleased.

    Godolphin dont have a horse in the Top 50. What a shambolic outfit at the moment.

    #203886
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    If they’d faced one another over a mile and a half, would YOU have backed-New Approach or Zarkava :?:

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    #203887
    Salselon
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    New Approach if they rode him properly.

    #203913
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    quote:
    If they’d faced one another over a mile and a half, would YOU have backed-New Approach or Zarkava

    you have to take Zarkava’s fillies allowance into account when comparing her against NA.

    I agree that RP should not be 4lbs ahead of HTN, based on their records racing against each other. Cant understand why theyve come to that figure.

    #203916
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    I disagree Aragorn. Both horses improved massively for initial defeats to Henry when either tried over their correct distance or ridden properly.

    That ignores the fact that he beat NA twice and never faced him again (2-1 to Henry overall) and RP three times (With an eventual score of 3-2 in Henry’s favour). The only difference between the two horses was the tactic employed by the jockey’s in each race.. Fortune took a while to twig on…

    New Approach’s Champion stakes performance has been overrated but that is only my opinion. The Derby and Irish Champion were two of the weaker G1’s in the UK this year as well. Same applies to Curlin who would have been better off entering Mr Universe the night he won the Dubai World Cup.

    Personally I thought Zarkava and Goldikova were at least the equals of the boys and Henry over a mile was as good if not better than RP and NA. In terms of ability I would have them all on the same rating. But then this is all based on one performance..

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    I think there is a general over-emphasis on the most recent events which leads to situations such as Ravens Pass/Henrythenavigator anomaly (it it is an anomaly). Turn the season back to front, with every race having the same outcome, and the ratings would be different.

    #203931
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    Cormack,

    You are ignoring the rather fundamental point that 3 year olds tend to improve as the season goes on, thereby resulting in the late season results having more attached to them in terms of evaluating horses.

    #203951
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    I’m a little surprised at Aragorn using the races at 1m to argue that Henrythenavigator is a better horse than New Approach. Admittedly, HTN could be a better horse than NA, but surely New Approach’s better performances were at a longer distance, and he only once ran over 12 furlongs.
    I’ve got a lot of sympathy for the Coolmore 3yo+ horses, because their best performances are early to mid-season, and the autumn always seems to be an afterthought (, Soldier Of Fortune excepting, last year).

    #203952
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    If they’d faced one another over a mile and a half, would YOU have backed-New Approach or Zarkava :?:

    I would have backed New Approach. Fists would have wanted to be my bookie.

    #203953
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    If they’d faced one another over a mile and a half, would YOU have backed-New Approach or Zarkava :?:

    I would have backed New Approach. Fists would have wanted to be my bookie.

    So would I ! :wink:

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    #203959
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    I also think that middle distance (10-12f) performances are over-rated in terms of allocating performance ratings.

    #203966
    brendanr
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    Regardless of how NA had been ridden Zarkava would have treated him with the same disdain she treated every other contender.

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