January 13, 2004 at 15:33 #92797Racing DailyParticipant
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"To base Form reading on guess work is a sure way to the poor house"
That was part of the reason for my post del. It was deliberately naive. It’s an exercise in futility to say that one horse is a better horse than another on lines thru other horses. ROG may be a goodwood lover and HW may have hated it. There again Reel Buddy may have run above his station at Goodwood (as proved in the Sussex Stakes). There are so many variables, making it impossible to say with any certainty whom is better than whom. Who’s to say that HW wasn’t better over a straight mile than ROG, just like who’s to say that HW would have beaten ROG 12l (or 16 even) over the undulations of Goodwood? The only real way to know is to take the form at face value. HC beat HW at Epsom. HC beat Falbrav at Leopardstown, HC beat Falbrav at Breeders Cup.
For me …
1) High Chaparral 134<br>2) = Falbrav 131<br>2) = Hawkwing 131 (based only on Lockinge)<br>4) Dalakani 129<br>5) Alamshar 127
But that’s just my opinionJanuary 13, 2004 at 17:49 #92798GrimesParticipant
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I certainly think that Falbrav should have been rated at least equal top in the previous year, (I must try and find out), having run faster over 12 F than any other horse – in the world, I think it was. And that, by some margin, from my own brief form checks of top horses in Europe. In my opinion a giant, in class, evidently, as well as brilliance.
Not to demean HCh and l’Ancresse, who starred, on the day, they also stand out to me as horses who’d been geared to the one big race, and benefited accordingly.January 13, 2004 at 18:21 #92799prince regentMember
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having run faster over 12 F than any other horse – in the world, I think it was. And that, by some margin, from my own brief form checks of top horses in Europe. In my opinion a giant, in class, evidently, as well as brilliance. <br>
nick mordin also agree with you in the rp weekender saying that falbrav has performed some fo the fastest times over 12f in europe strange for a horse that some claim dosnt stay 12f perhaps its just an excuse for its defeats
for me the top handicapped horses would be
how u can state high chapperall should be rated lower than falbrav when he has beat him twice this year and once last year
especially when falbrav 2 best uk performences are based solely around nayefJanuary 15, 2004 at 21:43 #92800GrimesParticipant
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Well, Prince Regent, it’s given me a bit of lift to hear that that Nicholas shares my perspective on our equine friends.
I suppose High Chapp and Falbrav are a bit like Coe -well, Bedford, anyway – and Ovett.
Coe eventually conclusively trounced Ovett in the Olympics, while already holding world records at, I think, two distances. But Bedford, if I remember correctly, held world records, but was often beaten by ostensibly inferior runners.
A matter of horse-racing "Class", I suppose. If he’d worn a monocle (taped in place, I suppose), instead of a Viva Zapata moustache, Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â perhaps he’d have been a more consistent winner. But then, perhaps his mind was on more ethereal matters, rather than the tawdry trophies that this world offers…. Yes, this time, I am kidding.
(Edited by Grimes at 9:46 pm on Jan. 15, 2004)
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