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    I don’t think Lancaster Bomber has a prayer. He hardly looked speedy in the UAE Derby. I feel it’s a bad omen for Churchill if they need to run Lancaster Bomber.

    Just your opinion Steve which you have stated several times now.

    “He ran a stormer in Dubai, better than I thought he would to be honest. It’s such a tough ask for a horse running on dirt for the first time and he missed the kick as well, so he had to face the kickback. Ryan was very happy with him.”

    If he runs i am more happy that AOB and Mr. Moore were satisfied with his first run than i am about what your opinion is to be honest.

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    I think Churchill will relish the final furlong more than the Fabre horse, who is by dream ahead, maybe that’s why he’s shown the sharpest turn of foot so far.

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    I think Churchill will relish the final furlong more than the Fabre horse, who is by dream ahead, maybe that’s why he’s shown the sharpest turn of foot so far.

    Al Wukair looked like a mile would suit him better than 7f last time. He has actually won at the mile trip already, something Churchill hasn’t tried yet.

    Fabre said after the Djebel that Al Wukair needs a mile now.

    It’s hard to make a case for Al Wukair being at a disadvantage over a mile given the visual and anecdotal evidence.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Peace Envoy runs today at Naas, in a 7f listed race. The trainer says the colt is just ready to start his season off. That means he is surely not going to run in the Guineas.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    I don’t think Lancaster Bomber has a prayer. He hardly looked speedy in the UAE Derby. I feel it’s a bad omen for Churchill if they need to run Lancaster Bomber.

    Just your opinion Steve which you have stated several times now.

    “He ran a stormer in Dubai, better than I thought he would to be honest. It’s such a tough ask for a horse running on dirt for the first time and he missed the kick as well, so he had to face the kickback. Ryan was very happy with him.”

    If he runs i am more happy that AOB and Mr. Moore were satisfied with his first run than i am about what your opinion is to be honest.

    It’s hardly just my opinion. Bookmakers have the horse at 40/1 for a reason.

    Aidan never admits to any negativity and I choose to make my own observations.

    We all make our own choices, I am simply summarising my opinions ahead of the declarations, sorry if it is repetition, I did not realise there was a limit on the number of times you could mention a horse.

    Just in case anyone missed it though, Lancaster Bomber won’t win the 2000 Guineas. ;-)

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1299084
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    Is Rivet running in the Guineas or not? My Antepost bets all seem to be missing them. Haggas should really make up his mind. :scratch:

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    Eminent came into the Craven with some concern from his trainer regarding the trip. Barney Roy ran down Dream Castle but I am convinced that horse didn’t get home and Hannon’s colt came under pressure earlier in the race than I like to see for Guineas colt.

    Eminent was outpaced by Benbatl over a mile. Barney Roy was outpaced by what is almost certainly a quicker horse over seven furlongs.

    I would be quite surprised if Eminent beats Barney Roy. If Churchill returns in reasonable shape I doubt that Eminent will be finishing in the three.

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    12 declared for the race, 4 of which come from O’Brien and with Rivet likely to go to France means it is the smallest field since 1995.

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    With Rivet looking more and more iffy, I wonder who to back now.

    #1299100
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    Eminent came into the Craven with some concern from his trainer regarding the trip. Barney Roy ran down Dream Castle but I am convinced that horse didn’t get home and Hannon’s colt came under pressure earlier in the race than I like to see for Guineas colt.

    Eminent was outpaced by Benbatl over a mile. Barney Roy was outpaced by what is almost certainly a quicker horse over seven furlongs.

    I would be quite surprised if Eminent beats Barney Roy. If Churchill returns in reasonable shape I doubt that Eminent will be finishing in the three.

    Eminent doesn’t have that instant acceleration but he was only outpaced by Benbatl for a hundred yards or so before he swept by him and drew away up the hill, Crowley knows that he will need to get him rolling pasing the bushes and I expect there might be one or two travelling better than him at that stage.

    I would be more concerned about Barney Roy’s lack of tactical speed going into the dip, especially for a horse that has only run on flat galloping tracks, if the jockey on Dream Castle can get him to settle early on I wouldn’t be at all confident that Barney will confirm the Greenham placings.

    For me Churchill will need to have made big improvement this year as a repeat of last year’s form I don’t think will be anywhere near good enough against some new rivals that arguably have better natural speed (Dream Castle) and better stamina (Eminent & Barney Roy), they are also race fit to boot.

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    Surely Sirit of Valour has been entered to act as pacemaker?

    #1299103
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    I havent really liked how the obrien horses have started off, its always a slow start and then they explode, seems extremely slow this time…. that being said i got a good word that churchill os absolutely glowing at home now and i think the 15/8 still around is very generous

    Still slightly concerned about the yards form, minding will likely be running at 60% today also setting her up for a 6 month season, if she absolutely hacks up today ill be more confident about churchill and will likely snap up that 15/8…. if she looks like she needed the run it wont tell me anything

    Im least keen on al wukair, i think his bubble will burst on saturday and i dont think he will place.

    Barney roy worries me the most, if he comes on atall for that win (which he will) then churchill will have to be glowing as he looks to be the main danger….

    Really impressed with eminent, smallish field might not suit him in this level of race,will depend on a blistering pace early on, still think he will need another couple of furlongs to be seen to best effect.

    Good luck with your selections ladies and gents.

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    To me it looked like Eminent would come on more for his race than Barney Roy.

    The Hannon colt looked fit and ready for the Greenham, whereas I felt Eminent would benefit a lot from his Craven outing

    Martyn Meade is confident we will see a different horse on Saturday and that the colt has improved again.

    Andre Fabre has said he is confident Al Wukair will be in the first three, with his concern being that the colt didn’t win a group 1 at 2yo, as his other Guineas winners had done.

    Not sure why Peace Envoy was left in, he runs today in the Tetrarch and the list of those who won that and the Guineas must be short.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Peace Envoy could very well turn up in the guineas now after that debacle as that was nothing more than an exercise gallop being stuck in behind the leaders the whole race

    #1299112
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    Peace Envoy could very well turn up in the guineas now after that debacle as that was nothing more than an exercise gallop being stuck in behind the leaders the whole race

    Ill be surprised if he doesnt turn up now, i agree with the above

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    Peace Envoy could very well turn up in the guineas now after that debacle as that was nothing more than an exercise gallop being stuck in behind the leaders the whole race

    Ill be surprised if he doesnt turn up now, i agree with the above

    Peace Envoy ran over the furthest trip yet and after todays non event I can see why he’s entered in the Dante,he still looks like a horse who wants further and yet this was his 9th run.What amazes me is he’s been entered in every 2000 gns trial going but run in none of them and todays race looked a stroll in the park for him but I’m not convinced he likes faster ground so unless it rains at Newmarket I doubt he’ll turn up.I still think Rivet on anything but fast ground is still the biggest danger to Churchill but vibes are he wont turn up either.Eminent has no chance on fast ground as that action of his is screaming rain so on current conditions the only horse I can see beating the fav is his owners 2nd string Lancaster Bomber,this fellow will get the mile no problem and could easily drop a big bomb on bomber commands leader Winston…42’s is massive and 17’s without the fav is huge…Chocks away chaps.

    #1299140
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    Peace Envoy could very well turn up in the guineas now after that debacle as that was nothing more than an exercise gallop being stuck in behind the leaders the whole race

    Ill be surprised if he doesnt turn up now, i agree with the above

    Peace Envoy ran over the furthest trip yet and after todays non event I can see why he’s entered in the Dante,he still looks like a horse who wants further and yet this was his 9th run.What amazes me is he’s been entered in every 2000 gns trial going but run in none of them and todays race looked a stroll in the park for him but I’m not convinced he likes faster ground so unless it rains at Newmarket I doubt he’ll turn up.I still think Rivet on anything but fast ground is still the biggest danger to Churchill but vibes are he wont turn up either.Eminent has no chance on fast ground as that action of his is screaming rain so on current conditions the only horse I can see beating the fav is his owners 2nd string Lancaster Bomber, this fellow will get the mile no problem and could easily drop a big bomb on bomber commands leader Winston…42’s is massive and 17’s without the fav is huge…Chocks away chaps.

    The time he clocked in the Craven (which was only 0.17s slower than the fastest time recorded in the 2000g by Mister Baileys in 1994) would indicate that he has a very good chance although I would agree that he may be an even better horse on good or good to soft ground.

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