2000 Guineas 2017

Not for me but
if anyone fancy’s Rivet for this you maybe interested in Skybet’s offer of 40/1 to win the Craven/guineas double

It is a bit of a graveyard but I wouldn’t be put off by it if I liked one.
Had Frankel ran in the Craven instead of the Greenham for example

hein bollow wrote:

stevecaution wrote:

As I said, Forest Ranger is a big colt.

stevecaution wrote:

I doubt any of these will be running in the Guineas.

Fahy would possibly agree with you on this, so he declared Forrest Ranger for the German 2000 Guineas.
I don’t know if this is of interest for anybody, as it might be hard to assess him against the German horses.
We have this difficulty often when a British horse comes over, you can’t be more than guessing..

Forest Ranger might be of interest in the German Guineas but as you say it might be hard to equate his win with the form of the best German horses.

Racebets have Forest Ranger at 7/1 for the German 2000 Guineas, so that’s a reasonable price for his supporters I would say. You would think he will improve for his first run of the season and he has physical scope, it’s all about how good his latest start actually reads.

The news before the Newcastle race was that Taamol was the talk of the gallops at Newmarket but he was a shade disappointing. Syphax and Utmost, to a slightly lesser extent, both ran as if further would suit.

Runner up Syphax came into the Burradon with an official rating of 110 and if you take it that he ran to that mark then Forest Ranger needs upgrading from the official mark of 94 he came into the race on. You would assume his new mark would at least allow him to be competitive in the German Guineas given a little step forward on his second run of the season.

plecornu1808 wrote:

plecornu1808 wrote:

Nice to see Eminent being aimed at this with a likely prep in the Craven. Hope he gets there as backed him the day he won his maiden.

Nice to have an ante post to really look forward to. Thought he was good today.

That’s a great voucher to have. Sadly I pencilled the horse in as a Dante/Derby prospect based on his debut. I just had a nag that one or two would have more toe at Newmarket. Now it looks as if he has at the very least a good each-way chance.

Churchill and Al Wukair are the horses with good 7F form and could be potentially finishing fast in the Guineas. I still can’t see Caravaggio running in the race. He has enough to prove after his season finishing early last year and the need to prove he gets the trip. Usually horses winning at 5F early in their 2yo career do not get the mile at 3yo.

Good luck with the Ante Post ticket. It’s a great feeling to land one at big odds and I hope Eminent fans can get a good run for their money.

stevecaution wrote:

plecornu1808 wrote:

plecornu1808 wrote:

Nice to see Eminent being aimed at this with a likely prep in the Craven. Hope he gets there as backed him the day he won his maiden.

Nice to have an ante post to really look forward to. Thought he was good today.

That’s a great voucher to have. Sadly I pencilled the horse in as a Dante/Derby prospect based on his debut. I just had a nag that one or two would have more toe at Newmarket.

Surely that is still the percentage call? If a once-raced maiden winner can take three lengths out of him then it wouldn’t be any surprise if something else can. Hard to believe they will all be non-stayers in the Classic.

greenasgrass wrote:

Heeding judge’s thoughts on the Greenham thread, I’ve added Dream Castle 20-1 E/W

As I said on there he compares very favourably with Benbatl on a sectionals comparison on their wins at Doncaster.

On the subject of sectionals, as far as Eminent is concerned, he covered the final three furlongs of his Craven win in approx 35.5 seconds which is pretty good considering the fast early pace. Daban for example ran the same distance in approx 35.7, which considering she was running over a furlong shorter and they were running off a pedestrian early gallop, would rather cast a cloud over the nell gywn form.

Churchill ran the final three furlongs of his Dewhurst win in 34.7, and although that was over 7 furlongs and at a different meeting, that would rather suggest he is somewhat ahead of Eminent at this stage given that the ground yesterday seemed very quick.

Although I must admit I’m a complete amateur at this speed ratings lark so I would never take my word as gospel

No surprise that I’m even more hopeful now that Eminent will become the first Craven/Guineas winner since Haafhd in 2004. What more does this young son of Frankel have to prove, he handles the course, he’s won twice over the distance and he virtually ended up in Cambridgeshire before he pulled up after winning The Craven. He has so much more to offer and is an exciting prospect for Martyn Meade.

I can’t believe that I have 40/1 and 33/1 for him each way in The Guineas, the last time I had a speculative AP bet was on Dawn Approach the 2013 Guineas winner, but what I would love to see is Eminent fulfilling his potential and winning the Guineas for a local yard and in the memory of Sir Henry Cecil who I’m sure was smiling down yesterday on his favourite son’s son.

Hoping he will improve even more…
EMINENT – Win

Good luck to all
Jac

stevecaution wrote:

Paddy Power have pushed Caravaggio out to 16/1 for the 2000 Guineas. Surely they know something?

I saw a quote about a week ago with O’Brien saying the horse is being trained with the French guineas as the main target as he’s not confident the horse would get the mile at Newmarket as things stand.

Don’t think betting each-way or win only makes that much difference over a long period of time. With each-way you end up shelling out more or winning less.

33-1 Barney is excellent.