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    darren83
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    NEVER ENDING STORY 40/1

    She won really well at Curragh and after the race being talk about races like Debutant and
    Moyglare stakes. And be better when get a lead She looks a smart horse.

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Ferrari Queen was impressive just now.
    Only a debut win so would have to see her in a better class of race but on pedigree distance would be no problem to her

    Meditate deserves to be favourite at this early stage, really good at Ascot

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    I think Meditate clocked a decent time at Ascot.

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    Elvenia 100-1 e/w.

    Green; ran on nicely from the back in the Albany.

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    FinalFurlong91
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    Did a bit of digging the other day, mainly on Aidan in recent runnings of this

    Going by recent renewals the key 1000 guineas trial is very much the fillies mile (the moyglare a close second)

    Just not always the actual winner

    last 4 winners Hermosa, Love, mother earth and cachet all beat in the fillies mile and won the guineas

    Then you have Lauren’s and Rhodedendron who won the 2 renewals before those 4 and finished second in the Guineas

    And Minding the year before who went on to win the guineas

    Both (meditate and statuette) look to have plenty of speed in there pedigree, could be early season types (meditate more so)

    No guarantee come the moyglare and fillies mile they will still be aidans best fillies

    of the two id be more inclined toward statuette as she should stay better than half sister tenebrism being by justify

    But his 1000 guineas horse may not have even run yet or could have been beaten in a maiden in the last few weeks

    One thing i have noticed is that 5 of Aidans last 6 1000 guineas winners made their debut in or after june

    Same for his 2000 guineas winners

    Magna Grecia September
    Saxon warrior August
    Churchill may
    Gleneagles June
    Camelot July

    So 4 of 5 June or later

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    Apricot Twist (Juddmonte/Ger Lyons) made an eye catching winning debut at Naas last night and earned a 33/1 quote.

    She does not have any entries but I doubt she would have been quoted at 33/1 if she came from Ballydoyle.

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    CAS, Lyons said last night on TV their policy is not to enter in early closer races…they are happier to supplement when the evidence is shown on the track.

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    From what I’ve seen so far from this seasons two year olds I’m taking a chance with..
    Mawj – 25/1

    By Exceed and Excell (Danzig) out of a New Approach mare she is progressing nicely with each race and she’s proving a pretty tough cookie to beat judging by her last race against Lezoo on the July Course at Newmarket.

    No definite entry yet but if she continues to improve can see her lining up for this one. She holds future entries in the Lowther Stakes next month and the Moyglare at the Curragh in September.
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    Agree with CAS, as posted above: Apricot Twist dotted up at Naas the other day. Probably didn’t beat much but was in a different league to the others.

    By Expert Eye out of a listed winner at a mile, she should stay the trip and I look forward to her next appearance with relish; I’ve had an e/w nibble at 33s with Unibet.

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    Statuette 11-1

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    FinalFurlong91
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    Dower House could be worth watching tomorrow at galway

    Big drifter on debut And ran accordingly

    Full sister to Churchill would be no surprise to see significant improvement

    Dermot Weld runs tahiyra who is a half sister to tarnawa too

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    “Both (meditate and statuette) look to have plenty of speed in there pedigree, could be early season types (meditate more so)”.

    Curragh trainer quote Statuette:

    She’s a very big filly and we were only training her three-quarters ready because we had our eye on the last part of the season. With that type of filly if you train them too hard you wouldn’t have her at the end of the season where you want her.

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    You believe any word the coolmore head horse salesman says?

    I take anything aidan says with a pinch of salt given his job

    I’m sure she’s a lovely mover with a great mind though

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    Mike- that quote is obviously fake. It doesn’t start with “Listen”, there’s no mention of “the lads” and he doesn’t say “she’s always shown a lot of speed”.

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    Didn’t say which Curragh trainer
    perhaps she has moved yards

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    #1608823
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    FF91 so you saying Statuette has been operating at near 100% then? ;o)

    Lol Gladiateur.

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    Watched the Apricot Twist race again earlier and have joined Glad in the ante post gamble.

    The manner in which she won makes me think she must be capable of winning in Group company.

    My only concern is Lyons has a dismal record in Britain and he may try to talk Juddmonte into saving her for the Irish Guineas instead, assuming she is good enough.

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