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I didnt say Tony was like a cat with 9 lives, thats a quote from his own interview. Google it search online exactly what he said on his return.
His words not mine.The guys a legend but his timing has gone for sure. I fancy Jezki in the champ hurdle but Mccoy on a high class hurdler always worries me.
I believe if Geraghty had of ridden My Tent or Yours last year instead of Jezki then MTOY would have won for just one example.Thats my thoughts that JP wanted rid, maybe im wrong maybe im right either way its my thoughts im not saying its factual.
Im not saying Mccoy has become useless he hasnt he is still a decent jockey its just I no longer believe he is in the top 5 jockeys in the country agsin thats my opinion.
I dont think McCoy is as good as he used to be. He is still just as strong in the finish but for me his timing has gone, timing at presenting a horse at a hurdle. He gets it wrong all too often.
JP McCmanus is a multi millionaire businessman, you dont become one of these by being weak or sentimental.
Its my opinion JP wanted rid of him and gave him the option to quit or be sacked.
To be sacked would be the ultimate humilation for the champ. This is why I believe he has retired.
I fully expect McCoy to have announced his comeback as a freelance within a year, he wont ride as much or travel as much and will have a few years riding the odd winner here and there.
This way everyone wins, JP gets a younger top jockey, McCoy saves face after not getting pushed and humiliated.
A month or 2 off and he can announce he misses the game and is coming back.
Just 3 months ago he was stating he would not retire anytime soon and he was like a cat with 9 lives and he has only used 2 of them.
3 months later he is retiring???
Read between the lines and put 2 and 2 together.
It is true that horses can die at any race track at any time but the reality is that the Grand National is the only race in the entire calendar where you can say before the race with complete confidence that horses will die in this race. As such it simply has to end now. I hope 2012 Grand national turns out to be the final one.
McCricks assistant is the ultimate embassador of useless misrepresented statistics. Certain statistics carry great weight such as a 3yo is much more likely to win the Arc De Triomphe than any other aged horse. The majority of statistics and trends are utter garbage designed to confuse the punter. The price of the horse statistics have to go down as an absolute classic and unbelievably people actually do follow these price trends.
Fair enough, not everybody has a mathematical brain, im sure you have strengths elsewhere.
Binocular will go down in history as the all time greatest Champion hurdler. An incredible horse who does have that perfomance in him and anyone thinks that its certain Binocular wont do it is foolish. He is capable of putting in a performance so devestating that not even a peak Hurricane Fly can deal with it. I happen to think that performance is coming this tuesday.
Oh and to all the people who make the child like claim that unless you are a jockey then you cant have an opinion read this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/horse-racing/15067764
"Leading jockeys and trainers have welcomed the changes.
Fourteen-time classic winner Frankie Dettori said: "I accept these new rules are in the best interest of our great sport."
Tony McCoy, champion jumps jockey for the last 16 years and reigning BBC Sports Personality of the Year , said: "The PJA [Professional Jockeys Association] has worked closely with the Authority on the BHA’s Review and I hope my colleagues embrace the proposed changes as being in the best interest of the sport."
Paul Nicholls, champion jumps trainer for the last six years, said: "While I’ve been a critic of the rules in the past, nobody likes seeing misuse of the whip and I agree the time had come when something had to be done."
Frankie Dettori probably the biggest name jockey in horse racing, AP McCoy who some consider the greatest jumps jockey of all time and Paul Nicholls the greatest NH trainer of all time all supported the new rules.
Seeing as how you say only a jockeys opinion counts then that says it all. Oh but silly me of course you guys will only be quoting the big named jockeys who publicly critiscise the rules such as Richard Hughes and Ruby Walsh and will choose to ignore the trainers and jockeys who actually support the rules.
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Zoso….
I think the main point many are trying to make here are that the current rules clearly are not working. They are total nonsense….decided upon by people without a clue what it’s like to try and abide by them while riding in a race, and brought in to appease people who are clueless and really don’t have that much interest in the sport. To just sit back like you and Cormack and others in favour and say well the rules are the rules and you have to stick by them is wrong IMHO.
Why you chose to put the part about 6 year olds I can’t work out? How many 6 year olds have counted to seven or eight while travelling at 30mph plus on a half tonne racehorse in a horse race, as in this case drifting violently across a track and with their own and other peoples safety in question? When things are happening so quickly at speed and there’s so many other and more important things to worry about I could see how someone could not be up on their count…
Answer me this Zoso….if you think jockeys should just stop the moaning and stick to the rules….
How can the rule be sensible when it would be within the rules for the strongest jockey in the game to hit their horse as hard as they could seven times in a 5 furlong sprint, but for a very weak jockey to hit a horse nowhere near as hard say 13 times in a 3 mile chase and recieve a hefty ban and lose their fees?
I have at no point mentioned my personal opinion about whether I think the rules are sensible or not? I have no problem with the jockeys campaigning to get the rules changed if this is what they want to do. But the fact remains that currently the rules are in place, as a jockey you know the rules whether you like them or not and you should stick to them to make it a level playing field, no good complaining after the race just because you have broken the rules that you knew were in place. Go ahead and attempt to get the rules changed back by all means but until they are changed then stick to them and dont cheat the punters and the other connections in the race.
You say that the rules cannot be fair because a strong jockey hitting a horse 7 times is going to be more effective than a weak jockey hitting a horse 7 times (I think this is the point you are making)… So explain to me how going back to the old rules which I think were 14 hits in a flat race is going to be of any help to the weak jockey. The stronger jockey will still be more effective under the old rules and the new rules?
I think the stewards made the correct decision. The only travesty here is that Mackays horse was allowed to keep the race.
We can hide behind the facts if we wish to but this is how I see it:
Nicky Mackay knowingly broke the rules and whipped his horse too many times. Whether you agree with the whip rules or not is irrelevant. The fact is the rules are in place and are the same for everyone. Its no good breaking the rules that you know exist and then complaining when you are rightly punished.
The horse was very heavily backed into 1/2 fav and at a guess I would say that connections were heavily involved in this gamble and that Mackay would have been fully aware that the connections were punting it. Would he have broken the rules had connections money not been on? I doubt it very much.
You can pretend that it was all about safety – absolute poppycock and a desperate excuse. If the horse was being whipped for safety then why on the 1st bend when the horse veered out to the right did Mackay not whip the horse? The answer is because this was not the business end of the race and with connections money being down he didnt want to ruin his chances for the end of the race.
Yes the horse was veering to the right all the way up the home straight, the jockey claims he thought he may go through the rails. Watch the race – this is a ludicrous claim and at no point was that horse going through the rails.
Lets pretend the horse was in danger of going through the rails – surely after the 5th or 6th whip Mackay should have realised the whip wasnt stopping the horse from drifting to the right and he should have tried other measures to straighten the horse up. But of course this ride was absolutely nothing to do with safety (though feel free to hide behind this incorrect theory anti whip rule people).
Master Fizz was only beaten a fraction in 2nd place. Had Mackay kept to the whip rules in the same way that the jockey on Master Fizz did then Mackay probably would not have won the race its fair to say.
So top connections have landed there gamble and got the win, no doubt Mackay will be looked after for landing the gamble.
A small trainer and relatively unknown jockey who would have loved to get a win have been robbed because of Mackays cheating (and it is cheating). When will this trainer and jockey get another winner? Who knows, they dont have them often.
Had the jockey on Master Fizz also cheated and broke the whip rule like Mackay then he could have had a winner, but the jockey on the 2nd rode an honest race and chose not to cheat.What about the poor punters who have backed Master Fizz and missed out on a 20/1 winner because Mackay decided to break the rules to land the gamble? They have been robbed as have the connections and jockey of Master Fizz because they chose not to cheat and played the sport within the rules.
All this talk of disgrace is a disgrace. Mackay isnt the victim he knowingly broke the rules to land the gamble and others lost out big time because of it.
The rules need changing I think, the horse should have been thrown out in the stewards room and the win awarded to Master Fizz.
And no I did not back Master Fizz and am not speaking through my pocket. Its irrelevant if you think the whip rules are wrong or not, the rules are in place and until a time when they are changed then all jockeys must abide to them in the fairness of the game. Hiding behind a safety issue smoke screen is laughable in this case.
Great another expert who has ridden over 10000 winners… You telling people what mackay was thinking.. What are the lottery numbers?
Im not an expert and havent ridden a horse in a race. However the rules are the rules and no matter what your opinion of the rules is, its only fair that all jockeys stick to these rules. You dont need to be an ex jockey to implement the rules. Most 6 year old children would not have a problem with counting the number of times the horse is hit. If you go over the limit you get banned. We all know where we stand.
I have seen enough racing to be sure that Mackay was riding a finish and it was nothing to do with safety.
Wait until you lose a lot of money because a jockey has decided to abuse the whip rules and your horse ends up getting beaten. Then come back and see me.
A disgraceful and disgusting decision.
That jockey should have been going home happy as larry after doing a superb job at not only getting his horse around the track but even managing to win, instead he’s going home miserable as sin after having his prize money stolen and a 10 day ban.
It was amazing he didn’t use his whip more, he never used it all when the horse first went wide and his first few hits were very light.What sort of message does this decision send out?
Please Jamie Stier go away with your stupid rules and take Paul Roy with you and if Paul Bittar isn’t prepared to do anything about injustices such as this he should go to.
Lets get people in who know what they’re doing and are good for the sport.It sends out the message that jockeys who stick to the rules and make the race a fair level playing field and the trainer and owner who have used the honest jockey miss out on a winner and prize money.
It sends out the message to jockeys – Yes go ahead and cheat and break the rules so that you can get the win. You will get a ban but we being the very rich owners that we are will pay you handsomely and you get a nice holiday as well.
Until the horse is Disqualified from a race for being whipped too many times then the rules will continue to be abused when the money is down. It is off utmost importantce to the fairness of the sport that an over whipped horse who wins the race must be disqualified. As soon as this rule is in place then it will become extremely rare for a jockey to break the rules.
My thoughts remains with the trainer, owner and Jockey of Master Fizz and all punters who backed him.
I think the stewards made the correct decision. The only travesty here is that Mackays horse was allowed to keep the race.
We can hide behind the facts if we wish to but this is how I see it:
Nicky Mackay knowingly broke the rules and whipped his horse too many times. Whether you agree with the whip rules or not is irrelevant. The fact is the rules are in place and are the same for everyone. Its no good breaking the rules that you know exist and then complaining when you are rightly punished.
The horse was very heavily backed into 1/2 fav and at a guess I would say that connections were heavily involved in this gamble and that Mackay would have been fully aware that the connections were punting it. Would he have broken the rules had connections money not been on? I doubt it very much.
You can pretend that it was all about safety – absolute poppycock and a desperate excuse. If the horse was being whipped for safety then why on the 1st bend when the horse veered out to the right did Mackay not whip the horse? The answer is because this was not the business end of the race and with connections money being down he didnt want to ruin his chances for the end of the race.
Yes the horse was veering to the right all the way up the home straight, the jockey claims he thought he may go through the rails. Watch the race – this is a ludicrous claim and at no point was that horse going through the rails.
Lets pretend the horse was in danger of going through the rails – surely after the 5th or 6th whip Mackay should have realised the whip wasnt stopping the horse from drifting to the right and he should have tried other measures to straighten the horse up. But of course this ride was absolutely nothing to do with safety (though feel free to hide behind this incorrect theory anti whip rule people).
Master Fizz was only beaten a fraction in 2nd place. Had Mackay kept to the whip rules in the same way that the jockey on Master Fizz did then Mackay probably would not have won the race its fair to say.
So top connections have landed there gamble and got the win, no doubt Mackay will be looked after for landing the gamble.
A small trainer and relatively unknown jockey who would have loved to get a win have been robbed because of Mackays cheating (and it is cheating). When will this trainer and jockey get another winner? Who knows, they dont have them often.
Had the jockey on Master Fizz also cheated and broke the whip rule like Mackay then he could have had a winner, but the jockey on the 2nd rode an honest race and chose not to cheat.What about the poor punters who have backed Master Fizz and missed out on a 20/1 winner because Mackay decided to break the rules to land the gamble? They have been robbed as have the connections and jockey of Master Fizz because they chose not to cheat and played the sport within the rules.
All this talk of disgrace is a disgrace. Mackay isnt the victim he knowingly broke the rules to land the gamble and others lost out big time because of it.
The rules need changing I think, the horse should have been thrown out in the stewards room and the win awarded to Master Fizz.
And no I did not back Master Fizz and am not speaking through my pocket. Its irrelevant if you think the whip rules are wrong or not, the rules are in place and until a time when they are changed then all jockeys must abide to them in the fairness of the game. Hiding behind a safety issue smoke screen is laughable in this case.
A trainers record at a track is an important thing to check before deciding on a bet. If i fancy a horse on form and think it looks worth a bet I will always finally check the trainers track record and wont hesitate to cancel a bet if the trainer has a poor record at a track.
A certain part as to why certain trainers do better at certain tracks but not others is down to how the horse is trained. For example Mark Johnston trains his horses to run up steep hills. When you look at his record on testing tracks you will see he has a high percentage of winners on testing tracks.
Some trainers gallops may be very tight turning, these horses who are used to being trained to run on tight turning gallops will most likely do very well when sent to a tight turning track like chester.
Some trainers gallops may be very undulating and he may well do better when sending his runners to undulating tracks.How the horse has been trained and under what type of gallop can have a large say as to how a certain trainers runners may run at certain type of tracks.
Thanks Jwildman good luck today.
2 50 Perth
LAY – PURE FAITH – 2.04
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3 00 Catterick
LAY – ARMIGER – 3.45
