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The way he took the 2015/2016 season by the scruff of the neck is my abiding memory of him.
Riding 2/3 winners everyday during the summer and ending up winning the jockeys championship by a landslide on 235 winners, amazing season.
I’m a little surprised he decided to retire on a losing ride a week before Aintree though and only a few weeks before the end of the season. After 30 years riding, he could have held on for another few days or weeks surely, but that’s just me being greedy.
Best of luck in the future Richard and well done on a great career. Over 3,800 winners. Will never be seen again I bet.
My prediction of a ridiculous rating for Funambule Sivola did not materialise. I am happily wrong. Raised 2 pounds to 143. Welcome decision.
Ginger I was trying to find some stats on how much the average winners and placed horses get raised in UK and Ireland.
Does anyone have any info on this?
Ian, there shouldn’t be a Champion bumper. That’s the problem. It discourages connections from progressing their horses along more swiftly.
It should not be taking 3 seasons for a horse to develop from a point to point winner into an open chaser.
Appreciate It will be 7 rising 8 before we see him over a fence, despite him having won a point to point 3 years ago.
Same with Sir Gerhard and Kilcruit.
Point to point winners should be disqualified from running in Bumpers.
Also once a horse has won a bumper they should be disqualified from ever running in one again.
A £6 accumulator on the 4 of them who shortened most would have the bookie with a liability of £1.08 million. This was all a bookmakers pr exercise from the start.
Rob, in Irish racing a horse cannot be given a mark of less than 80. No matter how bad the horse is, it will not be dropped any further.
In the UK it seems that a horse can be given as low a mark as is felt warranted.
I’m sure there are pros and cons to both methods
I know the handicapping of horses is receiving plenty of attention in the UK but just look at the Jeffrys Plumpton runner Blood Eagle
In his 4 starts over hurdles he has been pulled up, beaten 79L, 102L and 157L and has been given a handicap mark of 50, and is running today off the equivalent of 72. This horse should not have been given a handicap mark at all. There is not enough evidence in those hurdle runs to develop a sensible mark.Getaman has ran 3 times over hurdles and beaten a combined total of 330L
Perfect Predator and Not not Seamus were once decent performers so if they reproduced their best they might have a chance.
But ive noticed all of them drifting back out in price now
The kempton race was restricted only to horses balloted out of a Cheltenham race. Only 1 horse met those conditions because Cheltenham entries were down on previous years.
The first paragraph of my last post
“Denise Foster is ahead of Ben Pauling in the UK trainers championship and she is only 42k behind Harry Fry.”
Hardly anglophobia?
“I would suggest Wexford that you take your stupid anglophobia somewhere else
Name the sports where the English state that it’s “their divine right” to “win everything”
You can’t
What you say is absolute bullocks”
Clive I said nothing of the sort. I have spent a lot of time making well researched points on this thread, about prize money, about the handicapping system and about the structure of the season, in an attempt to explain why UK trainers are finding it tough at Cheltenham.
No where did I slag off the English or say that they think they have a devine right to win everything. Perhaps someone else did, but I definitely didn’t
Can anyone think of another example of where a trainer of a horse rode a horse other than his own in a race?
Denise Foster is ahead of Ben Pauling in the UK trainers championship and she is only 42k behind Harry Fry.
More remarkably Henry DeBromhead is 4th and only 200k behind Nicky Henderson
26 runners v 438 runners.
Top 10 currently are
1. Nicholls
2. Skelton
3. Henderson
4. DeBromhead
5. Jonjo
6. Willie Mullins
7. Twiston Davies
8. Fergal O Brien
9. Colin Tizzard
10. Alan Kingap good points. Although I would argue that just because a race is held at kempton rather than hereford shouldn’t mean the kempton winner should be necessarily rated higher.
I’ve quoted a couple of particularly baffling examples of marks given to UK horses.
Goshen rated 164 going into the Champion hurdle. A mark based around beating song for someone, getting 6 pounds on heavy ground. Who himself somehow manages to have a mark of 158.
Solo last year being given 157 after 2 uk runs where he beat a 67 rated flat horse.
Tritonic this year. 147 for his performances.
If horses at the top are being rated like this, then the horses they are being rated in comparison to in the UK must also be too high.
Even looking today, regal encore rated 154 at the age of 13. Does anyone really believe this rating? 144 might be more accurate. Truckers lodge, rated 155 for winning a midlands national. Mad stuff.
Another example
Secret investor rated 164 – 1 run after being stuffed in a handicap off 159. 164 same rating as minella Indo went into yesterday’s race on.Royale Pagaille rated 166 for winning a race in haydock which totally fell apart. A novice chaser – Only 3 pounds lower than Savills winner A Plus Tard and only 9 pounds lower than a dual Gold Cup winner.
When ask the handicapper used to be on Chapman would ask Phil Smith to explain why horse A is rated 160. Smiths answer would be because horse B is rated 155 and horse A beat him by 5 lengths. Without ever considering whether horse B should have been rated 155 in the first place
