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The only thing I got right was agreeing it was strange Virtual was taking a walk in the market.
Very well done those who dug him out and hope you all got the 10/1.
What on earth Spencer was up to I have no idea. I am not saying he would have been in the first 3 but he was up there with every chance and surely he should have stayed where he was as space were begining to appear.
However for some reason, known only to himself, he decides to switch the horse and goes rouund the back of 5 horses and ends up the backside of two horses.
Whe he gets a clear run Tariq who had been hanging straightens himself out and strats to run on again.
He wasn’t really hampered in any way but Spencer has ridden better races and must have cost him a couple of lengths. I strongly disagree with our resident expert who says he doesn’t stay a mile. The horse had several setbacks last season after this race and you don’t run horses like Pheonix Tower to a neck after being hemmed in if you don’t get the trip.
Lost a few quid but it’s out on temporary loan, a good first run and he looks a sure fire winner in the near future IMO.
Twice Over managed to find a couple too good for him again but surprised me how well he ran. I would imagine Cecil will looking for a race over a bit further and delay gelding him
Paco Boy might actually be a very backable price the next time he runs and I woudn’t give up on him too quickly.
Frankie just got pipped but looking at it again Jimmy Fortune always had that tiny bit up his sleeve. Looksa real game progressive sort
One of the best races I’ve seen this season entertainment wise and well worth keeping an eye out for a few of them next time they run.
got 9/1 happy as the proverbial larry
I’m pretty sure this was a Group 2 in the late 80’s when i began following the sport and I believe it should be again, take the favourite out and it is a very poor looking group 1.
Lockinge downgraded to Group 2 Newmarket’s 7f Challenge Stakes in Oct upgraded to Group 1, changes I would make.
About the race lay of Aqlaam.
PS Henry wouldn’t run Twice Over in last years guineas because he wasn’t though to be a miler, very interesting that he as a 4 year old is running over mile now.
totally agree spitfire this is a very poor group 1, virtual e/w and paco boy win.
King, I was just trying to help Fist.
He isn’t one for self-agrandisement and I didn’t want to have to put himself in the position of boasting of his past record on here.
Terribly sorry if you think I have stuck my oar in where it wasn’t wanted.
Colin
Abslolutely no need for you to say sorry Colin and you are right. I certainly don’t want to go to the trouble of talking about the past to someone who is here today and gone tomorrow.
It’s in everyones interest to ensure these people are not allowed to continue posting abuse.
Just look what happened to GWilson77. A few words to the powers that be he was gone
and what abuse did i give you? you are right i am a new member posting but ive been viewing this forum for the last 6 months. You constantly knock fame and glorys credentials yet you were the one who was constantly going about how mourayan would beat him in the derrinstown. Just because you were proved wrong and in some style might i add, you are tryin to knock f&g.
And Colin i was only stating that his recent predictions in the trials were awful if you dont believe me then i will happily post them for you
You weren’t only anything. Telling someone they are talking dribble and callin them numnuts and judging them on a couple of bad results is the height of bad manners. So far in your 7 or 8 posts you dug out Punjabi and then claimed to have backed the Derby fav at 20/1 but not until after the Ballyfax. Around here claims like that get ignored but I actually believe you. The reason I believe you is your post asking me why I hate the horse came across like it was from a kid who’s mummy was trying to take his candy away from him.
Well kid I am not trying to rain on your parade, only giving a fair opinion but you seem hell bent on raining on mine. Now we have with a nod and a wink a threat to post my selections to prove fookin what?
Only takes me a minute to open my spreadsheet and copy and paste my bets In the last 7 days results were admitedly pretty rubbish at face value with Caravel, Arabian Spirit, Mourayan, Crowded House AP, Kite Wood, Kite Wood AP, Rose Steet, Equino, High Heeled, Aldermoor
and Osterhase all losing bets.With returns from Danehill Willy EW 4th 66/1, Age Of Aquarius 1/1, Elusive Wave 5/1, King Fingal 4th 10/1, Misheer 2/1 and Aleron EW 12/1 I was never behind at any point and in front and I am up 26.4% for the week. .
Thats the difference here I’m in profit and your on a wing and a prayer with a horse who may or may not win the Derby. I can afford to talk dribble and get a few things wrong whereas the way you are acting you would think your life depended on it.
Have a good day and good luck with Fame and Glory but until he actually wins the Derby all you are doing is the same as the rest us and hoping you are right.
i backed him before the ballysax because i wouldnt have got 20/1 otherwise. Even if i hadnt have backed him lookig at the trials hes the outstanding horse. I’ll give you a little credit, betting on every top race isnt easy thats why i give my opinion on as few as possible but when i do im usually right.
All the best Fist and good luck with future bets
ive taken 6/1 on rainbow view, i stil dont think gosden had her in peak condition in the guineas and with a run under her belt she should make the frame.
King, I was just trying to help Fist.
He isn’t one for self-agrandisement and I didn’t want to have to put himself in the position of boasting of his past record on here.
Terribly sorry if you think I have stuck my oar in where it wasn’t wanted.
Colin
Abslolutely no need for you to say sorry Colin and you are right. I certainly don’t want to go to the trouble of talking about the past to someone who is here today and gone tomorrow.
It’s in everyones interest to ensure these people are not allowed to continue posting abuse.
Just look what happened to GWilson77. A few words to the powers that be he was gone
and what abuse did i give you? you are right i am a new member posting but ive been viewing this forum for the last 6 months. You constantly knock fame and glorys credentials yet you were the one who was constantly going about how mourayan would beat him in the derrinstown. Just because you were proved wrong and in some style might i add, you are tryin to knock f&g.
And Colin i was only stating that his recent predictions in the trials were awful if you dont believe me then i will happily post them for you
These records bug the hell out of me. It’s been a million years since a 5 year old won the CH, no 5 year old has ever won the QMCC.
did masterminded not win the QMCC aswell numnuts?
These records bug the hell out of me. It’s been a million years since a 5 year old won the CH, no 5 year old has ever won the QMCC.
A horse can be slow coming to himslef, an extra 2 furlongs can make a good horse into a wonder horse.
No two horses are the same and these stats are there to be shot at.
The flat is no different to the jumps and there is no way of telling when a Snow Knight is going to pop up.
It would be nice to think Flame and Glory could become a champion of champions and remain unbeaten, win the Derby,the Arc and plundering the USA but he doesn’t give me the impression he is a wonderhorse.
I still think this years Derby is still wide open. Some can’t even make up their minds which one of O’Briens is likely to be the best and that’s not allowing for the horse with the best form See The Stars who could be better than them all.
If he gets the trip could kick all of AOB’s horses into touch. Bolger’s could be anything and SMS has worked bigger miracles than win a Derby like this one.
I would rather take a chance on a horse at a bigger price with a good chance of a place and a possibilityof winning, than get stuck into any the short priced horses who could very easily fail miserably.
what do you hate about fame and glory so much? to be honest fist i wouldnt be influenced by any of your dribble because reading over these pages all of your predictions have ran stinkers.
How do standard times compare at York and Leopardstown, RVW, what were ground conditions like on each occasion and how does one race stack up against the other from a pace perspective?
If that qualifies as ‘time analysis’ then you can bet with me any time you like (though not in this case as Fame And Glory looks by far and away Ballydoyle’s best Derby hope).
leopardstown was good, york was good to firm. f&g was .02secs off High Capparals derrinstowns record so it was a very impressive race.He has no quirks and has a very fluent racing action. Heffernan was extremely impressed with him said he settles well. I really hope he gets to epsom in one piece cause he looks like the one to beat.
black bear island ran todays race i 2m 11secs
fame and glory ran derrinstown in 2m 03secs (carrying extra 3lbs)black bear island won off a strong pace but fame and glory won easing down by six lengths in a much faster time. He has to be coolmores number 1. He has won on heavy and good so the going wont be a problem.I really hope heffernan rides him as i thought he gave him a great ride last time and murtaghs form has been up and down. Im glad i backed him at 20/1 before the ballysax.
delighted with fame and glory’s win well i would have to be considering i backed him antepost for the derby on sat at 20/1!!!
i cant see binocular getting up the hill, plus i cant see another five year old winning it. Celastial halo was hammered by binocular and only just beat a re-appearing osana who in fairness wasnt pushed by the jockey. Osana is a very good horse but preparation has been flawed. My money will be on punjabi who i hold in very high regard he came 3rd last year then won four in a row before falling at the last when he had the christmas hurdle in the bag. Nicky Henderson said that he would need the run last time so he will be perfectly fit and at 16/1 hes the e/w bet of the festival
