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I’m convinced some horses are very intelligent. As Drone said, they can’t speak so therefore are considered stupid. Shame.<br>As for recognition of each other, yes. When horses run together in the wild, they have a leader whom they follow (until losing prowess).<br>In racing, a front runner from the same stable serves a similar purpose, besides making sure it’s a truly run race. When a trainer does not understand why their world beater at home does not perform on the track, try running a near equal stablemate in the same race.
bluechariot<br>You seem to forget that all the jockeys were alleged to have been untruthful. In a ‘proper court’ this would amount to perjury and a prison sentence. Remember Aitken? Perhaps they were fortunate it was, in your estimation, a ‘kangaroo court’.
Galejade<br>The idea that stable staff etc. do not communicate with others far and wide regarding info on their horses is incorrect. Mobile phones make this so easy. <br>And, if you ask them (from a variety of stables) about corruption, it’s quite remarkable how the same names crop up over and over again.
Even Ron Cox ,from the Guardian, is at it. His article is headed "Exchanges will always leave racing open to skulduggery" Substitute Exchanges for Betting and he would be nearer the truth.<br>As we can’t have a parimutuel monopoly, what about making it a requirement for all bets over a certain limit to be registered through an account. I appreciate fictitious names and addresses could be used but a proof of identity (passport etc.) would be mandatory.<br>On-course bookmakers would have a problem with this but modern technology could assist.<br>More bad publicity for racing is possible next week: John Egan is in court on Monday.
Galejade,<br>As I see it, owners and trainers are either in racing because they enjoy, and the owner can afford, the experience; or they think they can make money perhaps through devious means.<br>As for the concept of "inside information", the only data not available to the racing fan or punter is whether the horse is fit, going to run on merit, or the race is fixed between a few participants.
Galejade,<br>As I see it, owners and trainers are either in racing because they enjoy, and the owner can afford, the experience; or they think they can make money perhaps through devious means.<br>As for the concept of "inside information", the only data not available to the racing fan or punter is whether the horse is fit, going to run on merit, or the race is fixed between a few participants.
Second that, Burroughhill.<br>With regard to a Chelt. winner: Denman and Well Chief looked impressive in the paddock and on the track.<br>Kauto Star looked edgy in both but perhaps needed the run. I wouldn’t rate Beef or Salmon away from home.
AP<br>Yes, dreadful that drugs are prevalent in the USA but is race fixing too?<br>I know little about gambling but I can see it could be relatively easy (race fixing) when dealing in cash with a bookmaker. <br>However, online, and with the exchanges, a bet needs a card which then leaves an audit trail even though this may be disguised in a variety of accounts.<br>Can you explain how race fixing works when betting is in a pool system? You mention Hong Kong. Is it the ability to bet outside the pool system that enables this type of corruption to exist there?<br>
mm, can you not see that it would be better for racing if it wasn’t where it is today!<br>Corruption within betting has brought the sport into disrepute and people are turning away, including those who bet.<br>I will ask again; would a parimutuel pool system with bookmakers removed reduce cheating and provide more funds for the benefit of racing?<br>
madman marz, you can be as vehement as you like, I still think racing would survive on a reduced scale without gambling. You left out part of Swallow Cottage’s posting saying the same. As for greyhound racing, they have had very bad publicity and it is not so attractive visually.<br>But let’s meet halfway. If bookmakers were removed and we only had a parimutuel pool system could cheating occur so easily? Would we also have more funding for racing?
madman marz – racing would not have faded into virtual obscurity without betting, but we would probably have less of it. Still, without the owners, trainers, and jockeys who drug and cheat, the sport would be more highly regarded and perhaps attendance would increase and the likes of the BBC would not reduce televised coverage.
Good to have someone agree Burroughhill.<br>If only the racing regulators had realised that "racing’s far bigger and better" than betting we wouldn’t be where we are today.
Racing Daily – are you having a wind up?<br>Racing is for all ages, it is not just an adult sport, and not just for gambling. In fact, because of gambling and greed, we have the image and integrity of racing greatly damaged.<br>As for ATR censorship, as Sal put it, it’s probably done in good taste. (Do you remember a bad air crash when people blocked the motorway so they could gawp? Sick).<br>The only gripe is the occasional delay or even forgetting to inform us when all is well with horse/jockey.
Seabird, for me the result of your equation = cockiness and complacency. Some members within the racing community must be wondering if the HRA is serious or whether ‘normal’ practises can continue. Time will tell.
Seabird, for me the result of your equation = cockiness and complacency. Some members within the racing community must be wondering if the HRA is serious or whether ‘normal’ practises can continue. Time will tell.
Not that much to do with the lack of brains in a jockey, Mounty; more to do with the lack of integrity that’s been allowed to fester within the racing industry. Plus greed.
