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Paul
Should only the owners of football clubs be privy to information regarding tactics, injuries, targets and so on?
How do you feel Football supporters would feel if the management of their clubs refused to communicate anything with them whatsover either before of after the games?
Marble
too many on here like to portray themselves as hardned old punters who "wouldnt trust a word a trainer says".. all part of the image isnt it?
Its daft to ignore everything they say of course. Where else are we going to find out the very nature of the beasts they train? i would rather Gosdens summary of the strengths and weaknesses of his charges than some poxy speed figure….
Obviously its all a bit different further down the food chain…but thats not Stoutes and gosdens arena is it?
The owners too should realise that they have a responsibility to contribute to marketing racing.
If racing declines, and there is a small market, they will be unable to land a touch.
If racing declines, then no one else will care if their horse has won the big one
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Perfectly put
Paul…just cant agree with you there. Stoutes reticence is embarrasing at times and goes well beyond keeping back info for a (unlikely as
DJ says) touch.Racing is competing for the betting pound with plenty of other sports now. Any business or sport that treats its customers with contempt will ultimately fail…
Also makes me laugh when we see Carson on the box
At the latter end of his career (the bit i recall) he was transparently contemptuous towards punters. There were a few "none of their business" type quotes
Gosden must have been very disappointed yesterday but he gave some reasons (not excuses) and served to remind everyone that its not exactly the end of the world. It was cracking stuff. Big man in more ways than one (whoops…
)IMO it was the fast surface that cost him a victory yesterday not the track, which he clearly seems to like
Im not sure he does and has performed well despite the track. Except for thr Dewhurst of course…when the track was given as a reason for the relatively ordinary run. I always think Newmarket certainly suits those that can hit the front and stay there a little further out (agree with Carv though about JS) as we saw today
But you can sense when a horse is fidning it all a bit too firm (again RV today) and agree that that was a factor
He takes a quite different approach to the way i like to follow racing (Mellish is much more my cup of tea) but i find JW offers nice food for thought and is intelligent and entertaining enough. Can sometimes try a bit too hard to be ironic at times
Some of the slating on this thread a bit harsh IMO
Did Delegator just not quite get home? Ever so slightly? Very good run all the same, but maybe will be stronger still over a slightly easier mile. Would really have to worry about style of running in the sussex though
Really like the winner. Very very nice horse and any gunieas winner that is likely to be seen to better effect over further is more than likely to be a very good animal
Some good analysis through this thread
The best football auto bio ive read is Woody and Nord. Gareth southgate and his mate. Genuinely interesting with some suprisingly moving passages and revealing portraits
Football bios that are decent are Leo Macistry (spelt that wrong i think) on the Charlton brothers and the one on Maradona by Gordon Burns
Possibly best book on football is Brilliant Orange by Simon kuper
Cricket stands up better with plenty of quality writing
There are more decent sports books published than ever before. See the William hill prize for examples
Of course there is plenty of rubbish but football in particular, has generated some excellent writing in recent years.
Crappy ghost written autobios are just the high profile end of the market. Would hardly judge the whole sector by that
he nevertheless came across as someone who couldn’t give a monkeys about the punters’ feelings – very much in the Lester Piggott mould in that respect.
Probably the only thing he does have in common with the great man…
However, I like your artistic analogy though I’m not too sure I would describe Jamie’s riding skills from the Picasso school of Cubism/Surrealism. On a good day, he’s more akin to the Old Masters such as Rembrandt and Renoir but on a bad day he definitely belongs to the Still Life Movement of Arcimboldo and Angermayer.
and on a bad day, the painting skills of Stevie Wonder
Kadinsky would be my artist analogy. Quite eye catching i suppose but not really an awful lot thats truely inspiring and its the same thing over and over again…
Always a very interesting card and often nice sunshine and a decentish crowd (rather than tomorrows scrum) for a Friday
A lot to like about Star Rubys performance I thought…
I think the loss of form was more down to his anxiety approaching the 100 x100s. Hes note exactly a relaxed sort at the best of times
Maybe true about the bowling AP and the now likely defeat by Derbyshire is not exactly heartwarming. Nel looked decent at the Oval last week and Dernbach a little more firey…but its a concern
Goughie and Irani?
Not exactly two of the more cerebral cricketers… lets put it politely
20 overs will also be far too short for any sort of match frankly. tend to believe that if we really had to have a short game, then 30 would have made more sense. The point being (and hardly original i know) that 20/20 is simply one paced. A fast pace granted…but it is simply same thing over and over (20 overs
)He was suspended. Think it was a row with an umpire end of last season Nathan
Certainly a good bet, but his form did (by his amazing standards) wobble a bit towards end of last year
And judging by the past week, Surrey need him back badly……
to answer the original question…i think the flat appeals a lot more those that tend towards seeing horses as a means to solving an equation. Jumps tends to perhaps be more about the more strongly developed strnegths and weaknesses of the horse
Someone who follows the jumps in an overly mathematical manner would probably come unstuck and someone who tended to skip over the weights and measures aspect of the flat would suffer the same fate
Perhaps…
I would suspect that there is barely any difference in the results favourites ratio in either code
think the problem with the coverage Hillsborough is getting is that it starts to come across as a case of ‘My tragedy is more important than yours’.
Exactly
Memorable for many Chelsea fans at the time of Heysel was the statements from the self regarding and up themselves LFC that t was "Chelsea fans" that "started it"
Pathetic….
Never retracted but was never worth responding to anyway. But the "it couldnt be us" mentality was not unexpected
The event touched a lot of folk who could easily relate to those who died, many more than those who could the victims of the Marchioness and Piper Alpha. Which is not to downplay those tragedies, it’s just the way it is.
Which is precisely what you are doing
Tell me Clivex would you feel differently about today had the deaths occurred at Twickenham?
No.I relate to football far more than i d to rugby
Just as absurd as the Chomskyite argument that we shouldn’t have done anything about Milosevic because we didn’t intervene in East Timor.
Fair point andrew, but the level of coverage has become a bit wearying.
