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what’s bizarre though is that he’s being judged from 2 years ago and as if he’s incapable of learning.
Strikes me as very odd.
Of course he can learn but he’s never looked a natural jumper and that’s the worry.
I think you’ll see PN try him over fences with the results less than satisfying before sending him back over timber.
I don’t think its going to happen unfortunately. Money talks I’m afraid. Don’t think Magnier would want his attention on anything other than the flat. Distractions of Cheltenham at a time when Ballydoyle would be gearing up for start of flat?
Maybe young Joey will ride a couple of winners at Cheltenham in years to come? Looks like the lad is sprouting up and I can’t see being able to do the weights for the flat.
^ can you tell me how many times he’s fallen?
^ how did he nearly win a Hennessy aged 5?
^ how many races has he won over fences?thanks in advance
Never fallen and it was one of the softest unseating I’ve ever seen in the Hennessy. His race record over fences was 3 from 7.
Regardless of the above, he doesn’t jump well at all and it does cost him. Proper chasers would take a couple of lenghts out of him at every fence.
Over hurdles he’s a different kettle of fish and his race record of 8 from 8 over timber speaks volume. As I said best NH horse in training.
Big Bucks is the best NH horse in training but he can’t jump a fence and don’t think any amount of schooling will change that.
I’d be surprised if he ever contended a GC.
Jeez I never knew it was that simple.
Why dont you buy yourself a "reasonably talented horse" and keep it "in training through the summer. Bring him over the water and then lead the other ponies around the track for a 120K."
If it was that easy why don’t you get involved. Do you not want 120k?? If its that easy…
I would love to get involved but I was warned off last year but when I’m allowed again I will!
I know its crazy how more English trainers haven’t cottened on to the fact there is massive prize money available at Galway for reasonably talented horses if they just kept them going for the summer. They would only be running against horses that usually do most of their training in riding schools on a Saturday.
Infact I’ve got so excited I’ve just purchased RUK for the month, so I can have a look at Epsom and Musselburgh tonight (nothing on ATR).
You’ve got to have RUK! I much prefer their coverage. Nick Mills is the best presenter and racing is lucky to have him.
Jim Crowley to win the 8.10 @ Epsom!
It just goes to prove my point Joncol. The one truly talented horse at Galway all week and he hacks up easily. I doubt McCain can believe his luck. All he had to do was keep a reasonably talented horse that likes good ground in training through the summer. Bring him over the water and then lead the other ponies around the track for a 120K.
There wasn’t a horse near his talent in the field for a 120K race! What does that say about Galway!
Not that I’m complaining about that though I got stuck into this horse early doors at 11/2 and now have the bonus of collecting at 6/1!
The product on offer in Galway is so poor (
there is no point in sticking 1 winner of the festival into horsetracker
!) it wouldn’t encourage many new comers to go back to a racetrack for the sole purpose of watching horses race.
Rite of Passage?
There will always be the exception! They all have to start somewhere!
I didn’t say it was bad for Irish racing, I just don’t think it is beneficial either. They might make good money out of the attendances, but that’s pumped back into the prize money.
We all know racing needs to increase its appeal and associating it with a massive session or a great band doesn’t benefit the racing product. Sooner or later the product has to stand on its own two feet.
The product on offer in Galway is so poor (there is no point in sticking 1 winner of the festival into horsetracker!) it wouldn’t encourage many new comers to go back to a racetrack for the sole purpose of watching horses race.
B27,
How could generating substantial income year in year out at Galway be bad for Irish racing?
John
Maybe I’m just a purist and enjoy racing when we are looking for the best horse. I always thought that’s what racing was about.
As I said the people going to Galway aren’t there to enjoy the racing and a big p*ss up down in Ballybrit once a year wouldn’t deal with the large scale inherent problems in Irish racing. The Galway festival is nothing to be proud from an Irish racing point of view.
How many foreign visitors /newcomers will be at Goodwood?
Well I’m a foreigner and I’m going to Goodwood.
The Galway festival isn’t doing anything to increase the popularity of horse racing in Ireland, all it is doing is ensuring the black stuff gets a boast in sales. I know people who go to Galway every year but wouldn’t pick Ruby Walsh out of a police line up and never visit another racecourse all year round.
You & the HRI has a long way to go if ye the think a good session accompanied with moderate racing is the answer to all Irish racing’s woes.
Id completely disagree with you on that. Hughes toying with him? No Im sorry I dont think so
Hughes did have to work hard to get by but you would expect that against a top of his game Rip Van Winkle, just look at what Rip did to last years field, I felt he was every bit as good today but Canford is just a better horse. RIP lost nothing in defeat an ran a brilliant race but just beaten by a horse with more ability, I didnt think it would be the case beforehand but now I know differently.
Despite running such a brilliant race where to now for RIP???
We’ll agree to differ. I’m afraid I’ll have to wait for future races to see definitive proof RIP is back. For me he was well beaten and CC had the measure of him at all times.
I wouldn’t think RIP is back based on the back of that performance. Canford Cliffs was cantering all over him and Hughes just seemed to be toying with him.
That wasn’t RIP recapturing the form of his Eclipse run last year. I don’t think RIP will put in another decent top level win again in his career.
Master Minded has just had the wind operation which every horse down in Ditcheat seems to have at some point in his career! I’m expecting a big comeback from him.
Hang on a second the owner pays the bills and therefore can have his horse anywhere he likes. He has no reason to be loyal to a trainer if he feels he can get better elsewhere.
Do you buy your second car from the same dealer you bought your first???
If I got a decent deal off the dealer I might. The point is Buckler has done very well with that horse and won the owner more than €250K. More than enough to cover his bills for the rest of his training career.
The owner has stated his sole aim for moving is to win the Grand National. The Champion Trainer has a terrible record in the National, which must rub further salt in wounds of Buckler.
I’ve just no time for it. Training is a seriously tough business and Buckler instead of being rewarded for his success with the horse, seems to have been punished. Fickle.
He won an Irish National with Niche Market, but managing to get 2 wins from 20 races with a 150 horse might not be seen to be such a grand achievement?
Depends what you want as an owner? An Irish Grand National winner will be remembered for a lot longer than a horse racking up plenty of handicap races.
Nicholls got 6 wins from 15 races out of Silver Birch but I’m sure he’d swap tell all for the 1 race than Gordon Elliott won with him?
How can Everton expect to win the Premiership when Wayne Rooney wants to play for Manchester United?
Buckler trains 10 winners a season, Nicholls trains 10 a month. Is it really disgusting treatment?
And Francis Jeffers skipped off to Arsenal from Everton & I bet he wishes he never saw the sight of London.
It doesn’t always work out and as pointed out Buckler has had success with Niche Market. Shocking treatment of someone who has won over €250K in prize money with the horse.
