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I know ‘Black Type’ is being placed in a Listed or Group race. I do not know about name protection. Seems unlikely to me a mare finishing 3rd in a listed race would be ‘protected’ wherhas a Guineas winner such as Frankel, would not. Who knows with the dipsticks making these decisions though.
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I stand corrected. I always believed the names of Classic winners were protected. I find it incredible they are not.
Hamdan hasn’t been averse to giving the same name to different horses. As well as Zuhair, he also had 2 Fards. The first one won the Middle Park while the second was not so good and is currently in training with Michael Blake.
I’m sure he’s had one or two others as well with the same name over the years. Even the Queen has done it and had 2 Hopscotch’s.I don’t believe black type winning mares are protected. Black type is transient (races gain and lose status), so it would be difficult to maintain. My understanding is that to take a previously used name, the original animal has to be registered as dead or a certain length of time has to have passed so that it is presumed dead. There are then certain names that are protected for longer, or forever (per the list posted by Marlingford). There is some wiggle room on country of birth, so you could potentially have Frankelbean (GB) and Frankelbean (FR) on the go at the same time. I don’t know how fussy they get about that. Finally you have to hope that Mrs Magnier hasn’t reserved it. You can reserve names for free for a certain length of time (it’s a set period and quite short, can’t remember exactly). After that you have to pay. I’ve heard that Magnier gets the minions to reserve reams of names on whatever theme she is on at the time (hence the poets, countries and so on), which obviously may mess it up for you if you want one of them.
“You could potentially have Frankelbean (GB) and Frankelbean (FR) on the go at the same time. I don’t know how fussy they get about that.”
I remember when there were two horses in training at the same time named Green Lane. One was trained by Roger Charlton for the Weinstocks, the other by Ian Balding (I think). Charlton’s horse had an IRE suffix and Balding’s was USA. Both horses ran over middle distances and in theory could have met but they never did.
If I recall correctly, Balding’s horse started its career in America before moving here. I assume it was not possible to change its name here at that time.
Hamden had two Ertijaal’s running at the same time (not in same race) one was good and the other not so
Think there were two binocular’s running in the same season too
it’s one thing having the same name twenty years apart but running in the same season seems a bit extremeCharles Darwin to conquer the World
And there was Galileo, dual Derby and King George winner in 2001. Followed by Galileo, Polish St Leger winner and then triumphant in what is now the Ballymore at Cheltenham in 2002.
I remember when there were two horses in training at the same time named Green Lane. One was trained by Roger Charlton for the Weinstocks, the other by Ian Balding (I think). Charlton’s horse had an IRE suffix and Balding’s was USA. Both horses ran over middle distances and in theory could have met but they never did.
I think in the mid-90s there were two Avertis that did run in the same race. One was a Khalid Abdullah/Henry Cecil runner and the other (possibly with the IRE suffix) was trained by Willie Muir. I’ve got a feeling it was at Yarmouth and maybe it if wasn’t the same race it was the same meeting.
Hamdan/Shadwell has definitely had two called Jurz. The original was trained by Tom Jones and ended up in the West Country somewhere – Ron Hodges perhaps. Don’t know much about the second one other than when I saw it I thought “we’ve had that one before”.
It seems absurd, but not even winners of races such as the 2000 Guineas or Grand National get automatic name protection these days. If anyone is interested in which races do obtain automatic qualification, the list is here https://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/NP_2020.pdf. Frankel is on it after he was nominated by the BHA in 2012.
Al Boum Photo, Altior, Buveur d’Air, Faugheen, Flyingbolt, Sprinter Sacre and Tiger Roll are not on that list. I suppose it’s on a country by country basis- if you wanted to call an American dirt track sprinter Altior nobody would know or care.
Unless the BHA/HRI puts those names forward for protection then they can be used again anywhere in the world in due course. So a potential 2-mile chaser could be called Altior in a decade or so, as could a potential dirt sprinter in the USA. In both cases this seems a shame to me.
I think in the mid-90s there were two Avertis that did run in the same race. One was a Khalid Abdullah/Henry Cecil runner and the other (possibly with the IRE suffix) was trained by Willie Muir. I’ve got a feeling it was at Yarmouth and maybe it if wasn’t the same race it was the same meeting.
This thread made me think of the two Avertis as well, but I’d forgotten they actually raced each other. It happened on 30 June 1994 at Yarmouth when they were both 3 year-olds. Averti (IRE suffix, Willie Muir) was 5th and Averti (USA suffix, Henry Cecil) was 6th.
The Coventry Stakes winner should be disqualified for having a boring repetitive name.
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I couldn’t agree more.
By Dark Angel out of Angel Vision, this colt should clearly have been named The Angel Gabriel.
Which is absolute sacrilege to those of us who remember the days of Sagaro and Buckskin.
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