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After reading the variety of opinion on Australian import Hugh Bowman, I was wondering which jockeys people tend to view as a positive and which you will avoid like the plague, no matter how good the horse may appear.
I have to admit to being quite a fan of the Aussie Bowman, as well as the likes of Murtagh, Kinane, Catlin, Baker, Robinson, McEvoy and Hayley Turner.
On the flip side, I am loathed to back anything ridden by Steve Drowne, Richard ‘Aaah, I Give Up’ Hughes, Dean McKeown, Neil Callan, Oscar Ribena or Darryl Holland.
Fallon at his best was superb IMO. Of those riding now, Spencer I think is hugely talented (so is his wife but thats another story lol). McEvoy, Kinane, Murtagh.
Ones to avoid like the plague Richard Hughes, Michael Hills.
I’m quite open minded but disliked seeing Fallon on anything I fancied. Strong, yes, but a tactical dwarf and more bent than a bugle, in my opinion.
I still like to see Frankie aboard. Spencer has been worrying me for some time. Kinane is hopeless and gets lucky every now and again. I much prefer to follow successful combinations at certain tracks and I’m more than happy to the likes of Richard Hill up if he’s on a front-runner I fancy.
LOL, Maurice, as your sig states that you are "always up for a giggle" I can only assume that you are having a laff when you claim that<br>
Quote: from Maurice on 8:47 pm on May 24, 2007[br] Kinane is hopeless and gets lucky every now and again.
<br> And regarding your accusation that, quote: " "Fallon is more bent than a bugle" well, I’ll refrain from making any comment on same until he is actually convicted of such a crime by a jury of his peers.
Re jockeys of the modern era that seem to bring me out in an allergic rash, one in particular is Tony Culhane. A jockey that nearly succeeded in making me fall OUT of love with the game.
Fallon for me. Its his hunger for winners. He’s similar to McCoy, in that he seems to anticipate how his mount is going to react to circumstances in a race as it unfolds.<br>When most jockeys are rowing along half way through a race you can throw away your docket, with Fallon it probably still has a chance.<br>P.S   How can Mickey Joe Kinane come in for flax? Such a dependable jockey in the big races. Despite the fact his indecision on ‘Yesterday’ in The Oaks cost me a bundle I still think he’s a top jock.<br>Kerran McEvoy and Johnny Murtagh on their day are two excellent pilots also.<br>As regards the Fallon accusations, how can you become champion jockey in England,where it is most competitive, by throwing races.It doesn’t make sense.<br>I’ve always felt it’s a tabloid driven campaign to finish the man.<br>Jamie Spencer and Ryan Moore also have this hunger for winners and will rarely be riding a no hoper.<br>KIERAN IS KING……………..
(Edited by heffo at 9:53 pm on May 24, 2007)<br>
(Edited by heffo at 9:55 pm on May 24, 2007)
i think christophe soumillons a good jockey but every now and then he does ride quite badly…his pairing with Ouija Board last year springs to mind.<br>Eddie Ahern, Frankie (just cos he’s a ledgend) and kieran fallon.
Maurice – have to disagree with you about Kinane – superb jockey IMO
McEvoy, Murtagh, & Spencer are others I don’t like to see riding a fancied horse when I have backed something else because they can make the difference that matters.
AP all the way, the man is completely peerless. The only thing that puts me off backing more of his horses is that everyone else seems to think the same, and thus his rides are systematically at skinny odds. See Intersky Music today at Bangor, never previously better than 6th in any race, went off 11/4 fav and it wasn’t even a massive racecourse gamble.
On the flat, I really don’t see Maurice’s Kinane hating at all. I think he’s top class, and his ride on Electrocutionist in the Juddmonte a couple of years ago especially stands out for me. Along with Richard Hills and (as much as I hate to admit it) Fallon, he’s an eye-catcher on the card for me.<br>
Over the sticks i love Mc Coy especially in a finish or if 1 is lazy. For a more relaxed ride Paul Carberry is ur man and his balance is unreal and he rides as short as some as the lads on the flat. Richard Johnson is a good job but he frustrates me sometimes if he’s neck and neck at the last he will never ask the horse which loses him some races imo.
On the Flat u cant beat Fallons strength and determination and i love the way spencer balances a horse and kids them that they have more in the tank that they really have. Richard Hughes is gone at the game in big races and i still can’t believe him and Richard Hills are num 1 retainers for Abdullah and Al Maktoum
I believe most of the top jocks are much and a muchness and if their on the right horse they will invariably win, no jockey is immune to the odd cock up, be it Fallon, Dettori, Mc Coy or Walsh.
But there is one less profile jockey that I wouldnt put up on a beach donkey, and that is Travis Block, actually he should change his name to "Travis Blockhead". Ok he is only young but he looks weaker than Kristin Stubbs in a finish, and his timing is more off than a wedding bride. <br>"Avoid".
Sorry, mm, but I think your remarks about Travis are unpleasant, unnecessary, and incorrect.
Quote: from Nor1 on 10:08 am on May 25, 2007[br]Sorry, mm, but I think your remarks about Travis are unpleasant, unnecessary, and incorrect.
Not anymore unpleasant or unnecessary, than the the abuse Richard Hughes gets on this forum. Nor1
Incidently are you related to TRAVIS ??
Dettori is king for me particularly in small field tactical races. I also very much like Ryan Moore and Eddie Ahern, particularly when Ryans riding at his "home" track of Brighton.
Negatives definately Richard Hughes!!
Positives – K. McEvoy, R. Walsh, D. Holland<br>Negatives – R. Johnson, R. Hills, R. Hughes (get the pattern?)
Also steer clear of horses with R. Baze on – you never know what you’re going to get ;)
On the flat in this country
Positive<br>Dettori<br>Spencer<br>Moore
Negative<br>Ahern<br>Urbina<br>Hills
As regards the Fallon accusations, how can you become champion jockey in England,where it is most competitive, by throwing races.It doesn’t make sense
Is there a accepatble limit to how many races are affected? As far as i am concerned, one would be enough and that would not necessarily affect the championship ;) <br> <br>Anyway, im rarely completely put off a horse because of the rider and tend to try and judge the horse to the jockey
Front runners and R Hill’s, lazy types for Mccoy etc. On the other hand as brilliant as Fallon is i am less keen on him on one that dictates pace
I wouldnt say that i am entirely negative about any particular front line jockey but at the moment i do love to see Mcevoy riding.
I’ve never understood the hype regarding Fallon’s riding ability. I’ve been punting for longer than he’s been riding and I’ve seen him lose many races he should have won but to accuse me of hating him is entirely without foundation. I don’t rate him as a person or a jockey but I don’t hate anybody.
When it comes to tactics, Fallon is absolutely hopeless. You need to remember the yards he was most closely connected to as he came through the ranks and he got where he is by riding to orders. I agree he is very strong but I could never put him on anything I owned as I wouldn’t be sure he was riding for me.
Kinane was a journeyman jockey until – probably would otherwise still be – his high-profile win on Carroll House in the Arc (which I backed). He was never off the telly or out of the racing papers after that and picked up more G1 rides and wins as a result but he’s another whose tactical nous is questionable at best.
Philip Robinson is a genius and deserves more high profile rides but I suspect he’s a content person who’s quite happy to keep going as he does.
But if you want to see a real bit of race riding, check Peslier’s performance on Cockney Rebel in the Guineas. It doesn’t make him an all-time great but that was an all-time great ride.
Apart from Dettori, though, I don’t think we’ve had a truly brilliant high-profile rider since Steve Cauthen. McEvoy might become one.
To fans of Kinane, let me say this: watch him every time you can this season, regardless of what you’ve backed in the race. I reckon you’ll see him cock up over 50% of his rides.
(Edited by Maurice at 12:43 pm on May 25, 2007)
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