Should 2004 Hunting legislation be strengthened, left as it is or repealed?
Gauging broad racing sentiment towards Hunting and its horse racing offshoot, Pointing
- Ban trail Hunting too
- Stay as we are
- Repeal 2004 Act and allow all hunting
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Thanks, yes agreed. If people wish to remain anonymous that’s fine by me.
I should add that I am not opposed to pointing and would love to see it continue. Amateur sport has as much of a place as the professional game. My point was merely that if it was a casualty of further hunting restrictions then it’s a price worth paying.
Yourself and many others get great enjoyment out of it and I hope that carries on regardless. For me it’s a bit too close to the hunting community for comfort, not that I regard those who attend as monsters who need to take a long look in the mirror or anything like that.
I’ve just voted to ban trail hunting too. It seems to be used as a loophole for illegal hunting to continue so should be banned to clarify things. The resources to police wildlife crime are inadequate as it is.
I also am not opposed to pointing and would hope that would be able to continue regardless, likewise 3-day eventing which obviously has similar links with the cross country phase.
I’ve always though hunting is an unnecessarily cruel activity (don’t consider it a ‘sport’ at all!) and being a horse rider/owner for 30+ years didn’t change my mind, even stopped going to Badminton cross country event on the last day’s show jumping as was sick of the parade of the Beaufort hounds that took place in the main arena prior
to the show jumping starting, but continued going to the dressage and x-country phases for over 20 years.Thank you for your vote and for your contribution, Illavim – much appreciated.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"We have a vote to “Repeal 2004 Act and allow all hunting!”
Will the voter make their case on this thread?
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Well, I guess I’m the barbarian who voted to allow hunting, but I come from the barbaric land overseas where even the animal rights loons don’t really care about foxhunting. But I also get the impression that the hunts here have less emphasis on actually killing the fox. Half the time they don’t even see the fox and the dogs are trailing a scent laid hours ago by a fox who has already gone to ground or moved out of the territory. Foxhunting is closely coupled to US jumps racing and especially timber racing, as evidenced by all of the Hunt Cups. The result is a strong spirit of amateur participation and “hunt meets” which enabled the sport’s continued survival after the big racetracks removed their steeplechase courses and stopped carding regular jumps races. I know it’s a different culture in the UK but I would point to the ever-increasing dominance of Irish horses, riders, and trainers who (as yet) still have their hunting and p2p foundation. It’s impossible to separate the sports entirely.
Thank you for your contribution and vote, Miss Woodford – much appreciated.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Problem with “trail hunting” is that most use it to defy the law of the land and get away with it because they are well-connected. This is a cancer in our society which spreads way beyond hunting.
Possible that trail hunting could continue with proper safeguards, for example muzzling hounds, having pre-publicised routes, licensing hunts and revoking licences of hunts who permit hounds to run out of control (getting onto roads and rails, worrying livestock, rampaging through animal sanctuaries and gardens, all of which are regular occurrences), with criminal prosecutions for criminal damage, causing accidents etc when appropriate. Point-to-point is only threatened because those who run it refuse to accept that hunting live prey (be it foxes, hares or deer) with dogs is over and adapt accordingly.
Thank you for your input, Tonge.
I suspect many involved in Pointing have little or no interest in hunting.
They’re interested in a form of horse racing which just happens to involve obtaining a hunters certificate in order to be able to race and the vast majority of meetings being organised by hunts on land made available to race on by landowners sympathetic to hunting.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“Never look back, always look forward!”
I’ll remind you of those words Chezza in about 5 years time when you post something along the lines of
That fecking Hughesey, can’t believe he’s won the poster of the year 5 in a row, can’t believe it. Chezza is going for a cry …
Charles Darwin to conquer the World
A depressing notion that’s put Chezza right off his morning biscuits.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I’ve no time for fox hunting, but have no view on whether it should or shouldn’t be allowed. I’d much rather shoot the vermin that they are to be honest.
Pointing probably wouldn’t survive without hunting. It would require the hunts to organize it and the farming community to provide the land and I can’t see any other body taking up the challenge.
Professional racing can’t even organize itself efficiently, so what chance would amateur? Where would the funding come from, how many meetings would be required to accommodate horse population? Since COVID, I believe attendance numbers are down and the hunts can’t keep increasing the admission prices for people to stand in a wet muddy field.There are about 10,000 hounds, so they will have to be immediately slaughtered.
I don’t know how many horses on an average Pointing card have moved down from the professional ranks, but I’d guess it would be a high percentage. Of those deemed not good enough or too old for professional racing, some may be directed to the showjumping/eventing world, but I would suggest most would simply go for slaughter.
In addition, a few thousand jobs will go, so quite a few families will be out on the streets looking for new jobs and accommodation.
All of this because of a fox.
“Pointing probably wouldn’t survive without hunting. It would require the hunts to organize it and the farming community to provide the land and I can’t see any other body taking up the challenge.”
Without hunting, the existing Point industry infrastructure itself would have to expand its role to stage the meetings and with no revenue (entry fees, gate money, bookie ring fees and trade stand fees) any longer going towards hunting – and being ploughed back into the sport instead – employing race day staff might be an option.
Couldn’t agree more about the venues, though – that might well be the killer, though Larkhill is owned by the MoD and some Points are staged on inner tracks at: Hexham, Bangor-On-Dee, Ffos Las and Fakenham.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“I’d much rather shoot the vermin that they are to be honest.”
Just to clarify: are you talking about the foxes or the inbred retards who hunt them?
Wouldn’t both be the most beneficial?
But if relieving society of retards is important to you Gladiateur, then where do we draw the line?
The list would be extensive.
‘There are about 10,000 hounds, so they will have to be immediately slaughtered.’
Perhaps we could set the foxes on them.
‘I come from the barbaric land overseas where even the animal rights loons don’t really care about foxhunting.’
There is no need to insult the animal rights ‘loons’. I may or may not consider those who get up in the morning and think ‘I’m going to climb onto the back of a horse today and chase foxes around the countryside with a pack of dogs for my own personal amusement’ to be ‘loons’ but I shall keep that particular opinion to myself.
While it’s good to have confidence in one’s opinions, extending that self assurance to insulting or derogatory references to anyone with a contrary view might be argued to be taking self confidence a tad too far.
It’s an emotive subject, over which feelings often run high on both sides, and it’s actually been a pleasant surprise this thread has stayed civilised for as long as it has.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“It’s actually been a pleasant surprise this thread has stayed civilised for as long as it has.”
It was only a matter of time.
Note how the side of the argument which believes it has the moral high ground gets upset when people on its side are referred to as “loons” but is OK about calling its opponents “in bred retards” who should be shot.
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