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Gerald Butler with 14/187 has had a season to forget :(
Alan Berry always has a season to forget :cheesy:
4-85 across both codes would have to rate a poor year for Emma Lavelle.
gc<br>
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How many more winners could the Lavelle/Fenton combination had had they adopted different tactics on their horses? Supreme Copper for example.
With more fancied runners..
John Joe, Tim Easterby, Milton Bradley and Ed Dunlop have all had horrific 2006’s so far. Makes me wonder if they’ve all become mainly laying stables.<br>
Beat me to it with Gerard Butler, Clive. A really miserable season although his main patron has far fewer horses in training than he did three or four years ago.
Also – without trying to attract the wrath of graysonscolumn, an honourable mention must go to poor old Guesty – 3 wins from 101 Flat runs in 2006, 8 wins from 161 runners so far this new jumps season<br>
(Edited by Happy Jack at 10:16 pm on Oct. 6, 2006)
Milton a laying stable? Don’t think he’s even heard of Betfair.
Ed Dunlop always has been overrated, Tim Easterby joins him, John Hills, Mick Channon, Amanda Perratt all fail to as well as they should considering the ammunition they are sent.
Not saying anyone of those stables are laying.
Micky Hammond and Peter Webber can go on the list as well
Quote: from Happy Jack on 10:07 pm on Oct. 6, 2006[br]
Also – without trying to attract the wrath of graysonscolumn, an honourable mention must go to poor old Guesty – 3 wins from 101 Flat runs in 2006, 8 wins from 161 runners so far this new jumps season
<br>Fear not, HJ, no wrath incurred. He’s had a rotten old time since Paul Beck, Gryffindor, Concertina Racing and several others all withdrew their animals in quick succession. You’re not going to win the same volume of jumps races with poor ex-Polish sprinters and the likes of Apadi and Tiger Talk now, are you!
Mind, he spent some 80,000gns on not very many yearlings at the sales the other day, so he’s far from given up on trying to improve his lot.
Jeremy<br>(graysonscolumn)<br>
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
Jonjo O’Neill: 2005 qualifier too.
Though to give him a little credit, trying to fathom the legion of rogues McManus seems to love acquiring would test the ablest trainer.
Does okay with Gay Smith’s horses.
So is O’Neill just unlucky then Drone that he gets rogues, or is it something to do with what he does with them that makes them that way?
<br>One of the oddities of the season is the lack of 2-y-old winners from Prescott. Of course his reputation would have you believe he never trains a juvenile winner, but in fact he’s been in double figures with his 2-y-olds in recent seasons, with 24 and 25 winners in the last two years at a decent strike rate.
But this year the cupboard is bare – no 2-y-old winners and very few runners. And that means his overall total is well down from the usual 50+ to only 34 so far.
AP
Quote: from davidjohnson on 10:53 pm on Oct. 6, 2006[br]So is O’Neill just unlucky then Drone that he gets rogues, or is it something to do with what he does with them that makes them that way?<br>
For a man of infinite wealth, McManus’ buying policy seems somewhat strange in that most of the horses he sends to Jonjo tend to be middle-of-the-road, moderately exposed, averagely bred horses whose jumping education has been restricted to the Irish gaffs: quantity not quality.
O’Neill certainly doesn’t have the attributes that define ‘good trainer’ in my book: namely the ability to improve a horse, to maintain the form of a horse over a season and to keep them sweet, healthy and content; in the case of the JPMac horses anyway. So it’s a combination of a trainer whose lofty reputation relies solely on glories in the saddle, not what he’s actually acheived since, and this less than top-notch trainer being sent somewhat less than straightforward horses that, if anything, ‘lose it’ even more under his care.
I will also venture the no doubt contentious view that the otherwise estimable McCoy is not, in general, the type of jockey to bring the best out of mentally fragile horses.
Anyone can train a high class, honest, happy horse cf. Black Jack K and most of Smith’s horses
My belief is that McManus thought the combination of Jackdaws/Jonjo/McCoy would bring about a substantial improvement in his cavalry of horses. If so the laid back JP must be getting grumpier by the day.
Or perhaps he couldn’t care less and just enjoys watching his charges run every day.
This season may well be the one when we find out just what his expectations are/were.
Quite a lot of truth in what Drone says here. Goss certainly didn’t fancy it very much at Bangor this afternoon, nor did the likes of County Final and Cross The Highman at Huntingdon on Tuesday. The less said about other vile animals such as The Rising Moon and Artane Boys, the better.
Jeremy<br>(graysonscolumn)<br>
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
Drone makes some very good points and I’d support the vast majority of what he says.<br>His comments on JPMcManus’s equine acquisitions are interesting. I’d draw some analogy with the position of fellow top owner and big spender David Johnson. Over the years he’s had plenty of horses of variable quality and some big winners trained by Martin Pipe and ridden by top jocks including McCoy, but not many really progressed to championship class and thus some big races were never won. He seemed to switch purchasing strategy to slower maturing types and engaged the patient Murphy once McCoy left but I’m not sure that Pipe snr. was as adept at training these types as opposed to "off the peg" horses from the flat or ex French jumpers which were usually hard trained and given forceful front running rides. Other trainers also seem to have caught up and have their horses just as fit to run.<br>Will be interesting if Johnson invests with Pipe jnr. or maintains a watching brief.<br>He also owns and retains his fair share of slowboats and dodgepots, some of which have been transferred north to Montieth.<br>
I was at Bangor today & with the exception of Carnival Town (2nd 25/1) Jonjos’s horses ran atrociously, there were mutterings around the course that there’s something not right at Jackdaws, but I’m inclined to think a lot of the horses are ‘characters’ whether they’d improve for someone else I’m not sure.
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