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Fair enough DJ
Can only go back to 2005 and FWIW, i have Teofilio at 124, 4lb better than HR, so maybe there’s summat in what you say
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(Edited by empty wallet at 8:07 pm on Jan. 17, 2007)
Quote: from thedarkknight on 7:22 pm on Jan. 17, 2007[br]Araafa’s 122 for his QEII run would be the biggest laugh for me
If that isn’t a concocted number so that they can give the O’Brien hype pig an inflated rating, then I am a Dutchman….<br>
<br>C’mon TDK they’ve only given him 127, 1lb too high imo, but a fair mark
After not much thought :biggrin:
The Empty Wallet World Rankings (missing categories due to lost data)
<br>Top Older Horse
INVASOR 131
Top 3yo Colt
DISCREET CAT 131 ( a monster imo)
<br>Top Fillie/Mare
PRIDE 124
Top 3yo Fillie
MANDESHA 121
TOP 2yo Colt
TEOFILIO 124
As you can see, Dirt racing rules the world
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(Edited by empty wallet at 9:12 pm on Jan. 17, 2007)
Think they have pretty much got it right with the list. George W was never going to get a 130 rating that the RP set for him as he never hit it as he was never pushed to.
As for Mr Haighs comments in the RP today its a shame he basically puts down Deep Impacts (correct) rating to "western" men setting the ratings when the Japanese representative on the board completely agreed with the rating and said he didnt think it deserved to be pushed higher!!!
when the Japanese representative on the board completely agreed with the rating and said he didnt think it deserved to be pushed higher!!!
do you really think he would have said otherwise??
Completely Clive. On numerous occasions in the past, the Irish and British handicappers have stated they disagreed with certain figures or wanted higher figures etc. Its pretty common that there should be disagreements amongst them.
But even aside from that, before the commitee got together at the end of the year the Japanese themselves were giving their own independent rating for the horse that is the similar figure to the one they recieved.
Not the Japanese way Aidan. They can be the ultimate diplomats.
having said that, i dont disagree with the assesment
tdk, If George Washington’s beating of the two Godolphin colts in the QEII can be dismissed as irrelevant because Librettist and Proclamation "ran way below form", then surely the performances of Araafa and Librettist in the BC Mile are similarly irrelevant, because they too blatantly "ran way below form" in that race?
Personally, I would never interpret a race by completely ignoring the achievements of the horses prior to it (i.e. the winners of most of the major European Group 1 mile races open to colts) and concentrate only on their subsequent runs which required them to travel long distances at the end of a hard season. But that’s just me.
Quote: from clivex on 11:57 am on Jan. 18, 2007[br]Not  the Japanese way Aidan. They can be the ultimate diplomats.
quite so – but diplomacy is the art of letting someone else have your way.
in matters of assessing races in Japan, you have to back their judgment against those of the (well-meaning but misguided) outsiders, who seem to have fallen prey to a racing manifestation of a common general phenomenon for Japan of "henna gaijin".
best regards
wit
A horses rating is not that important really, it is what they achieve on the racecourse that is important and the manner of there victories, GW did not beat the same calibre horses in the guineas as El Gran Senor did but he was just as impressive as he was, They can only beat what is put in front of them
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