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racinggirl
I’m sorry but you are talking a load of B0LL0X
Jockey error causes falls – ie cilpping heels
<br>Horses running every few days puts emense stress on bones and joints – Money for Fun, Montage
Why was Mantle off track for 6 weeks after being well beaten?
Were dealing with fragile animals,  not machines
<br>And that is my final post on this subject
(Edited by empty wallet at 9:04 am on Dec. 13, 2006)
If you look at Mantles form there is always a 4/6 week gap between runs, I guess the trainer (James Fanshawe) was looking after the horse, and a horse breaking a leg or breaking down like this horse is not jockey error, out of all those killed in action, only one was due to clipped heels and that was Eccollo , so please don’t tell me i am talking b*****ks
, racing is one thing I know about!! <br>Money for fun ran 10 days earlier which is about the right time for a flat run and Montage ran 4 weeks before, so don’t try that one with me…some trainer run there horses 2/3 times a months and nothing happens…racingirl
And do not treat me as though i am some muppet
Mantle ran Aug 31st, Sep 18th, Oct 2nd then a six week gap
<br>Just because you have ridden a horse in a race does not make you an expert on racing
And to add, these horses was not over raced..<br>Mantle had only 6 runs in 2 seasons… Money for Fun had 7 runs this season and Montage had 14 runs over 2 seasons, Eccollo had 12 runs over 2 seasons, La Via Ferrata had 15 runs over 2 seasons and Mad Maurice had 12 runs over 4 seasons..
Quote: from empty wallet on 9:29 am on Dec. 13, 2006[br]racingirl
And do not treat me as though i am some muppet
Mantle ran Aug 31st, Sep 18th, Oct 2nd then a six week gap
<br>Just because you have ridden a horse in a race does not make you an expert on racing <br>
<br>well stop talking to me like one!!<br>Look at the form of most Fanshawe runners, he likes to give them time after there races, like most good trainers should do…and horses are entilted to a break…for what ever reasons..most decent trainers will give them at least 10 days between races, most horses are given 2/3 days off after a race, then it takes them a few days back to peak and also there is the race planning..
And I never said I have ridden in a race! <br>
racinggirl
Again you treat me like a muppet
I have looked at the form of ALL the runners, otherwise how would i know when they ran?
<br>Done, end of discussion
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Quote: from empty wallet on 8:52 am on Dec. 13, 2006[br]Here’s some info, Wolves runs
Money for Fun, Oct 30th – Dec 1st – Dec 11th
Mantle, Aug31st –  Oct 2nd – Nov 16th
Montage, Oct 2nd – Oct14 – Nov 17th
<br>Now do you expect people to believe that the surface has deteriortate in such a short space of time causing these injuries without there being some sort of evidence
(Edited by empty wallet at 8:57 am on Dec. 13, 2006)<br>
EW <br> <br>The surface can deteriorate in a couple of days, given enough rainfall! <br> Wet sand compacts, and unless it is harrowed frequently, it will get even firmer for use.<br> Surely it’s more than coincidence that all 5 horses were injured on the same leg, the front near fore?<br>Considering the differing circumstances these injuries occured under, and the incidence of them at just one track, it is long odds-on in my book that it is down to the surface and nothing else.<br> That would also suggest, imo anyway, that it isn’t being maintained properly and safely. It would seem that is the opinion of a number of trainers and jockeys also.<br>Wind in your neck, this forum needs the likes of racinggirl.;)
Ecollo isn’t your best example of a horse that wasn’t overraced. Although he may have had just 12 runs in 2 years, how many did he have in a fortnight?
That said I don’t think him being turned out quickly was in any way a factor in his sad demise.
One of the most interesting coincidences about it is that nearly all the horses that have been fatally injured have been favourites.
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i’d love to answer yer, but seeing you don’t bother to read my posts why bother
<br>From 4.24 Dec12th<br>Poly can be adjusted to ride like a road, or like a bog, the elements also have effect on the surface during a meeting[/i]
Some figures on breakdowns in USA are:
Dirt 1.6% per starter<br>Turf 0.86<br>Polytrack 0.58
Even though polytrack is safer on average that still means on USA figures, 1 horse breaks down every two polytrack meetings, on average. Runs of one or more horses breaking down in a series of meetings is quite likely as a probability statistic to occur within a season.
The other issue with Wolves is that they have used special deep (pad and cushion) harrowing this year to remove the inside bias due to compaction. If the track then recompacts unevenly by horses running in particular strips or by recent rain washing sand down cambers you get false (uneven support) ground and it is the latter which is dangerous for horse limbs. There is a huge stress on leading legs and those will be the nearside ones at Wolves.
Glenn Posted on 2:43 pm on Dec. 13, 2006 <br>milkshakes jolly <br>lizards 2nd jolly <br>clowns 3rd jolly <br>
<br>Thats what makes Glenn poster of the year .. :biggrin:
Quote: from davidjohnson on 11:59 am on Dec. 13, 2006[br]Ecollo isn’t your best example of a horse that wasn’t overraced. Although he may have had just 12 runs in 2 years, how many did he have in a fortnight?
That said I don’t think him being turned out quickly was in any way a factor in his sad demise.
One of the most interesting coincidences about it is that nearly all the horses that have been fatally injured have been favourites.<br>
True about Ecollo, but if his trainer did not think he was fit enough to run, he would not have, he had never been out of the frame since Oct, and he may of been a horse that did better on the track than at home….<br>{quote]Some figures on breakdowns in USA are:
Dirt 1.6% per starter <br>Turf 0.86 <br>Polytrack 0.58
Even though polytrack is safer on average that still means on USA figures, 1 horse breaks down every two polytrack meetings, on average. Runs of one or more horses breaking down in a series of meetings is quite likely as a probability statistic to occur within a season.
The other issue with Wolves is that they have used special deep (pad and cushion) harrowing this year to remove the inside bias due to compaction. If the track then recompacts unevenly by horses running in particular strips or by recent rain washing sand down cambers you get false (uneven support) ground and it is the latter which is dangerous for horse limbs. There is a huge stress on leading legs and those will be the nearside ones at Wolves. <br><br>But this is not racing in the USA, they race there horses hard, and they do have a higher rate in fatalities on the track….
From Animal Aid: Call for immediate suspension of horse racing at Wolverhampton following fifth equine fatality <br>Wolverhampton racecourse has just claimed the life of yet another horse – the fifth fatality since 6 November this year. The tragic circumstances surrounding the death of two-year-old Money For Fun were sickeningly predictable given that in the past few weeks, five horses have fallen at the track, nine have been brought down or were pulled up and one broke down after completing a race. Money For Fun was running in the ninety-eighth race meeting of the year – a record for a British track – when she broke her leg and fell, causing a five-horse pile up.
Animal Aid has today written letters to racing’s governing body, the Horseracing Regulatory Authority, and to the British Horseracing Board (the body responsible for racing’s fixtures), demanding that all racing at Wolverhampton is suspended with immediate effect and that a detailed inquiry is held into the deaths, with the results being made public.
Says Animal Aid’s Horse Racing Consultant, Dene Stansall:
‘Wolverhampton Racecourse is playing Russian roulette with the safety and lives of horses and jockeys alike. How many more injuries and fatalities will it take before the regulators assume control of the situation? Animal Aid calls for an immediate ban on racing at Wolverhampton in order to prevent more deaths.’
These people would do anything to get racing stopped, and maybe for once we should listen to them, the welfare of the horse and jockey is the most important thing…
Dale Gibson did not ride in the first race it was a non, runner, to which there are a few there tonight…<br>
racinggirluk,
"But this is not racing in the USA, they race there horses hard, and they do have a higher rate in fatalities on the track…. "
This is why USA are making changes from dirt to polytrack. Those tracks that have changed are getting far less injuries. There are several instances where Wolves AW horses are racing within a day and they are raced relatively hard compared to the turf.
Quote: from racinggirluk on 5:19 pm on Dec. 13, 2006[br]
Quote: from davidjohnson on 11:59 am on Dec. 13, 2006[br]<br>These people would do anything to get racing stopped, and maybe for once we should listen to them, the welfare of the horse and jockey is the most important thing…
Yup you could be right for once, mind you i only suspect you were talking about AW racing. What is the current death/runner rate in NH racing!
<br>According to the report in the Post today, two of the deaths were due to the horses suffering a heart attack during the race – can’t see any way you can blame the surface or the course for that.
I haven’t seen anything that would persuade me to avoid Wolverhampton as an owner, although to be fair, the issue won’t arise as both horses will be resting for the next two to three months after tomorrow.
AP
Quote: from apracing on 11:21 am on Dec. 14, 2006[br]<br>According to the report in the Post  today, two of the deaths were due to the horses suffering a heart attack during the race – can’t see any way you can blame the surface or the course for that.
Milkshakes hardening on this news, Lizards taking a walk, with clowns seeing good money as the underside of the milkshake forecast.
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