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I have written about him before and I know people on here like him but maybe it’s just me but he doesn’t seem to be as good a jockey as people rate him.
I can’t put my finger on it but watching him he just seems to misjudge things, is on the wrong place in a race and is not that strong in a finish. I know he as a 20%+ strike rate but is that down to the fact he rides the best horses as opposed to being the best jockey.Somewhere in the middle. Like so many in weighing room you know if he is off the bridle the vast majority of times you have done your money. Doesn’t waste time in easing down. Whiff of arrogance to him and you get the distinct impression he doesn’t give two hoots about punters.
It’s nice to be nice but I am not a dan of his either.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Somewhere in the middle. Like so many in weighing room you know if he is off the bridle the vast majority of times you have done your money. Doesn’t waste time in easing down. Whiff of arrogance to him and you get the distinct impression he doesn’t give two hoots about punters.
Why should he give two hoots about the punters he is there to ride a horse if you choose to bet on him then you know what you are getting into, no one forces anyone to bet.
It is his job and he should be thinking about himself and how he does his job, just like Ryan Moore doesn’t give a damn it’s ajob you turn up do your work and go home, he isn’t interested in Robert Cooper or which horse everyone is raving about.
if you bet on how much work I will do on Monday at work and I choose to sit there and do nothing it’s not up to me to think about “the punter” who bet on me, I do my job my way and he can do his his way.
Use to think he would go all the way to the top and I suppose he nearly has with the job he’s in. But not as much a fan now as I used to be as I’ve noticed fairly regular mistakes, for a supposed top jockey. Much rather James Doyle be on one for me
As above, I’d say he’s quite good but more likely to let you down than win a race through an inspired performance or ingenious tactics.
His Royal Ascot rides were head-scratchers in particular, wasting so much ground by being very wide on the home turn. Unless he had some misinformation about there being better ground out wide, it seemed like Buick was just easily outmuscled by stronger riders who were more assertive in claiming the inside run.
As soon as he joined John Gosden it was only a matter of time before he became part of the Godolphin operation (as indeed Gosden himself has this season by way of the Princess Haya horses running in the Royal Blue).
Going back a few years I always had certain yards I could rely on to deliver, especially with unexposed types. Godolphin were one of these (a bit like how it used to be with Cecil and Stoute back in the day). Especially when Frankie was up (but even Kerrin McEvoy latterly was a great ally to have on your side) the Godolphin horses were always positioned to maximise their potential. Frankie from the front was usually enough to start forming an orderly queue.
I would categorise Buick more in the Richard Hills category than a Dettori. I have to say I wouldn’t describe James Doyle as being particularly more effective. It seems to me all to often when the pace quickens and they are caught on the back foot they seem to almost give up – i.e. unless they can win on the bridle you may as well tear up your slip.
Now I now this is an over simplification, and of course they have high profile winners. And of course there is little doubting that Godolphin have progressively got worse down the years. However I do not feel confident backing Buick on a short one, simple as. Its disappointing because his stable often target certain races with the type of horse I was once accustomed to making a year on year profit on. I reiterate that ties change and Godolphin are not what they used to be, but I am afraid Buick gets beaten too often for my liking on the sort of horses I think he should be winning on. However it is also fair to say his paymasters are perfectly ok with him not picking up his whip on a maiden at Bath or showing any urgency. And I guess from his point of view he is entitled to ride like that. But from a punters perspective I would say he is very much one to avoid. Which is sad given the high profile and numbers of runners the Maktoum’s employ him to ride.
May be I should wait until the 4:20 at Goodwood, but I believe Buick one of the best around.
These would be my top 10 of British Based Jockeys:
1. Ryan Moore
2. Frankie Dettori
3. Silvestre De Sousa
4. William Buick
5. James Doyle
6. Daniel Tudhope
7. Richard Hughes (until tomorrow) I don’t think he’s as good as he was a couple of years ago.
8. George Baker
9. Richard Kingscote
10. Philip MakinValue Is EverythingI think Buick is a good jockey , but like all young sports people
of his age , he lacks consistency .At times he can appear shy , at other times , aloof.
I find him quite an intriguing character.A polyglot , born in Norway to a Scottish father ,
he has recently acquired an Irish lilt to his accent –
probably as a result of mixing with so many Irish jockeys
in the weighing room.I would be loathe to dismiss him.
Ian Balding has a voucher for 5OO/1 about Buick becoming champion jockey by 2O2O.Lucky man , I say.
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I am sorry to go about him, but I have just watched his ride on Portamento today at Chester. If you had backed it each way IMHO you can feel aggrieved because had he ridden it in the last half furlong it would definitely have been third.
I am surprised that the Stewards never looked at his ride. He seemed to stop rideing half a furlong out and looked over to his left and I think he assumed he would be third but got nabbed on the post.
Another shocker.I am sorry to go about him, but I have just watched his ride on Portamento today at Chester. If you had backed it each way IMHO you can feel aggrieved because had he ridden it in the last half furlong it would definitely have been third.
I am surprised that the Stewards never looked at his ride. He seemed to stop rideing half a furlong out and looked over to his left and I think he assumed he would be third but got nabbed on the post.
Another shocker.See Ivanjica’s comments regarding Godolphin. The days when punters had some idea what was going on with this outfit are long gone. They now employ two bridle merchants who couldn’t care two hoots about fighting for places (see my comments above). Just got rid of one jock who had a similar attitude but sad to say there are loads of a similar ilk still infesting the weighing room.
If I owned a very expensive thoroughbred, I’d rather the jockey looked after the interests of my horse than those of the man in the betting shop bawling him on to hammer into third so he can collect on his 10p ew accumulator
May be I should wait until the 4:20 at Goodwood, but I believe Buick one of the best around.
These would be my top 10 of British Based Jockeys:
1. Ryan Moore
2. Frankie Dettori
3. Silvestre De Sousa
4. William Buick
5. James Doyle
6. Daniel Tudhope
7. Richard Hughes (until tomorrow) I don’t think he’s as good as he was a couple of years ago.
8. George Baker
9. Richard Kingscote
10. Philip MakinNot far off Ginge but surely SDS is at least number 2 right now. His riding in the last 6/8 weeks has been superb. He has a clock in his head and is easily the best riding from the front. He is also brilliant from the stalls and seems to always get his horses in the right position in a race. Add to that his power-packed finish and you have pretty much the complete package. He had been picking up too many whip bans but has even seemed to have sorted that problem out recently.
I had the pleasure of a day in his company a few years back and he told me about his apprenticeship growing up in Brazil and how the style of racing there really helps him here. They have a lot of very short sprints there so breaking well is always important as is pace in the race so he grew up knowing his fractions. He hardly ever gets his fractions wrong if you notice.
I tipped him for the top a few years back and am delighted to be on him at 25’s this year (albeit I’ve had a little bit of luck with that bet!!!)
Sorry this post has been off topic – I like William Buick but share the thoughts of Ivanjica that he is riding for a poor old outfit these days. In fact he does better when riding the Johnston horses. I never quite understood why they sacked SDS to be honest as he never rode a bad race for them. Personally I think Doyle and Buick would have been better sticking with Prince Khaled and JG.
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he told me about his apprenticeship growing up in Brazil and how the style of racing there really helps him here
would be a pity to lose him from the Far East, but can’t help wondering what the impact might be on GB racing of another Brazilian, Joao Moreira, should he do a stint there.
Perfect example of SDS at his best just now on Agent Gibbs. Riding out of his skin!!
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May be I should wait until the 4:20 at Goodwood, but I believe Buick one of the best around.These would be my top 10 of British Based Jockeys:
1. Ryan Moore
2. Frankie Dettori
3. Silvestre De Sousa
4. William Buick
5. James Doyle
6. Daniel Tudhope
7. Richard Hughes (until tomorrow) I don’t think he’s as good as he was a couple of years ago.
8. George Baker
9. Richard Kingscote
10. Philip MakinNot far off Ginge but surely SDS is at least number 2 right now. His riding in the last 6/8 weeks has been superb. He has a clock in his head and is easily the best riding from the front. He is also brilliant from the stalls and seems to always get his horses in the right position in a race. Add to that his power-packed finish and you have pretty much the complete package. He had been picking up too many whip bans but has even seemed to have sorted that problem out recently.
I had the pleasure of a day in his company a few years back and he told me about his apprenticeship growing up in Brazil and how the style of racing there really helps him here. They have a lot of very short sprints there so breaking well is always important as is pace in the race so he grew up knowing his fractions. He hardly ever gets his fractions wrong if you notice.
I tipped him for the top a few years back and am delighted to be on him at 25’s this year (albeit I’ve had a little bit of luck with that bet!!!)
Sorry this post has been off topic – I like William Buick but share the thoughts of Ivanjica that he is riding for a poor old outfit these days. In fact he does better when riding the Johnston horses. I never quite understood why they sacked SDS to be honest as he never rode a bad race for them. Personally I think Doyle and Buick would have been better sticking with Prince Khaled and JG.
It was a very close run thing who I’d put second and third Joni. If I was betting on a run-of-the-mill race think I’d plump for SDS too; for the same reasons you give. I too have been a big fan since first coming on to the scene. May be it is just the fact SDS does not get the opportunities at the highest level; but Frankie just edges it for that reason.
Is there truth in the Prince K is going to lessen his interest in racing? If so that may have been a part of the decision. Also, money is probably a big factor. Buick might be regretting it now (Golden Horn).
Value Is EverythingIf I owned a very expensive thoroughbred, I’d rather the jockey looked after the interests of my horse than those of the man in the betting shop bawling him on to hammer into third so he can collect on his 10p ew accumulator
Just remind me is this the 21st century? I know it might not seem like it but these days I believe there are actually some rules governing the running and riding of horses.
I don’t think anyone is advocating beating horses up to achieve any position, just riding within the rules to achieve the best possible placing. Not sure why you felt the urge to take a cheap swipe at small stakes betting shop punters? I am sure there are plenty of on-course/telephone/online punters betting much higher amounts who are just as guilty of displaying a win at all costs mentality.
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