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Thanks. Don’t know how I missed that news. Always liked the horse and had followed him – thought him an ideal National type.
Thanks for that AP.
Aware Sunnyhillboy had an injury after the race, did not know it was that bad. Unless taking time to show itself doubt he would’ve travelled as well had it happened early in the race, certainly faultered after the elbow. Good to see he’s made such a good recovery.As far as the thread title is concerned the injury to Sunnyhillboy and whether he stayed or not makes no difference. Fact is going in to the race Sunnyhillboy was a doubtful stayer, likewise Seabass; where as Neptune was a proven stayer. Jacob was not to know whether Sunnyhillboy was going to stay or not or get an injury. Therefore, to maximize his chance of winning imo Jacob should have gone for maximum effort sooner than he did.
Value Is EverythingGinger, the difficulty with your argument is one that faces all who criticise jockeys. Alan’s post illustrated it perfectly. Nobody but McLernon knew what was happening beneath him on the run to the line.
Nobody but Jacob knew what was happening beneath him throughout the race. The best laid plans gang aft agley, as Rabbie said. Nowhere can you see better examples of this than on a racecourse.
I once asked Jonjo if he thought Dawn Run was beaten approaching the last in the Gold Cup. "I did for just a few strides, then I felt her suddenly fill her lungs and I knew we’d be all right."
There’s no doubt that jockeys ride bad races, but I suspect many of them are innocent when accused by the public, who cannot know all that is happening live.
Ginger, the difficulty with your argument is one that faces all who criticise jockeys. Alan’s post illustrated it perfectly. Nobody but McLernon knew what was happening beneath him on the run to the line.
Nobody but Jacob knew what was happening beneath him throughout the race. The best laid plans gang aft agley, as Rabbie said. Nowhere can you see better examples of this than on a racecourse.
I once asked Jonjo if he thought Dawn Run was beaten approaching the last in the Gold Cup. "I did for just a few strides, then I felt her suddenly fill her lungs and I knew we’d be all right."
There’s no doubt that jockeys ride bad races, but I suspect many of them are innocent when accused by the public, who cannot know all that is happening live.
I agree, suspect most accused jockeys are innocent.
Although my "arguement" about Jacob’s ride has nothing to do with McLernon. Of course there might also be mitigating circumstances why things turned out as they did, we grandstand jockeys can only go on what we see.
Don’t get me wrong Joe, am not saying Jacob’s ride was a particularly bad one, clearly did a lot right. The way he made up ground gradually was spot on. Just saying it was not imo a particularly good one either… And the punter’s praising of winning rides and criticising a losing one (especially when the difference between the two is just a centimetre) is not always imo correct…
It would imo be wrong/very easy for me (a four figure winning punter on the horse) to go overboard on what a brilliant ride Jacob gave Neptune Collonges. But as I said, fact is had it gone the other way I’d be wanting to say (possibly wrongly) the opposite! (And I was shouting expletives at the TV/Jacob even after the line, convinced it lost).
Win or lose, once we sit down and study a ride it is seldom a black and white issue.Value Is EverythingI am usually quite open-minded about jockey ‘errors’, but that seemed like a very clear one from Jacob on Bury Parade today. There were huge cheers in the office when he ducked down a blind alley.
Reports on Twitter say Nicholls was barking at the jockey post-race.
A game of split second decision sometimes – I backed the horse, and had he got the run, it would have been hailed as a great ride, Swings and roundabouts. If PFN was indeed having a go, then it looks as though DJ’s jacket is on a shaky nail right enough
There’s no way Jacob can be criticized for the ride on Bury Parade today as he wasn’t the jockey! I think he is riding well enough currently to retain the confidence of the stable and wish him well in a particularly challenging and demanding role.
Just goes to show that when jockeys are in Darryls position people are constantly trying to find fault with them; the dreaded Paul Nicholls poisoned chalice scenario.
I am usually quite open-minded about jockey ‘errors’, but that seemed like a very clear one from Jacob on Bury Parade today. There were huge cheers in the office when he ducked down a blind alley.
Reports on Twitter say Nicholls was barking at the jockey post-race.
Not often you make a fool of yourself TYF!
You’re correct Luddite jockey critics would be more convincing if they if managed to get their names right.A very poor decision from NF to try to get up the inside when he didn’t need to specially as he’d surrendered the outside to no one for most of the race
No, not like TYF at all [someone whose analysis of races past and present I always make a point of listening to].
In further defence of TYF, I didn’t spot it either (though that’s probably not saying much!)
I still don’t think it was a bad ride.
Bury Parade refused to start at Exeter so is clearly not straightforward, albeit it was close to where horses come out on to the racecourse. Yesterday, possibly seemed reluctant at first to go out on the second circuit (I believe again near the entrance?). Also hung quite badly right rounding the home turn hampering his own stable companion. Fehily pulling on the left rein and intermitently struggling to keep him straight all the way to the line. At the second last even colided with the side (brush) part of the fence. When a horse is tired and naturally going that way it is advantageous for a jockey to get the rail. Doubt we’ll see Bury Parade on a left handed course again.
A gap was there and Noel went for it but closed on him. Had he got through it would rightly have been described as a brilliant ride on a difficult horse.
This is another time when whether the ride is thought of as good or bad relies on miniscule things which are beyond control of the jockey. Had Fehily gone around the leaders and against his mount’s natural trait – it would’ve taken a lot more time than in a straight line up the rail. Had he not gone for a gap which did not close he’d have been villified for going wide on a horse hanging right. It was the correct call, just did not pay off this time.
Last week Schofield went for a gap on a genuine horse and it opened up for him.
Value Is Everything
Win or lose, once we sit down and study a ride it is seldom a black and white issue.
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