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    Avatar photoEx RubyLight
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    #1662912
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    Not a very good look. It is getting to the point where I do not want to bet on Irish racing at all.

    #1662913
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    Strange to see that many horses at 100/1 or even higher winning in IRE in the past 5-6 years. It seems to have become a habit, let alone the ones backed from 100/1 into single digits who win as they like to.

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    300-1 winner!
    Shouldnt horses, with no record, that win at 100s or above, be tested straight after the winning race?

    #1662915
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    That Roscommon Apprentice Maiden from three weeks ago where he had the 1st and the 3rd at 200/1 each with the Joseph O’Brien trained Fisherman’s Beach splitting the his two runners looks very strange.
    How many times did this happen in the history of racing?

    #1662928
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    Wasn’t even the trainer’s first offence.
    Has refused entry for testers before.

    What the f— has an Irish trainer got to do to get banned for more than 3 years “suspension”!

    If I was an Irish trainer I’d be thinking breaking the rules is well worth the risk.
    It’s a f—— invitation!

    With so small a penalty I’d be surprised if drug use is not rife in Ireland.

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    Irish racing has been in a comer over doping for a long time now.

    #1662954
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    Another good one from you, Sam.

    Ginge, not only the suspension, but also ask about the fine. “A dozen horses” tells enough I guess and you can be sure that he still got away with some other ones which maybe weren’t routine tested.

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    “It is getting to the point where I do not want to bet on Irish racing at all.”

    IMO there’s some great racing in Ireland under both codes – the Dublin Racing Festival and Punchestown (not keen on Galway) over Jumps and some cracking Flat racing like Leopardstown and The Curragh last Sunday.

    But the vast majority of it I simply don’t bet on.

    Same deal with most Class 4 and 5 Jumps Handicaps and Class 5 and 6 Flat handicaps over here tbh.

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    I will probably still have a bet at the Dublin Racing Festival but I have never been that bothered about Punchestown.

    I only had one bet at Leopardstown last week (Tahiyra) and none at the Curragh.

    I have always enjoyed going racing in Ireland. But these doping stories and the behaviour of certain trainers means I doubt I will be betting much, if at all, on the low grade meetings.

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    Of course I was aware who Luke Comer was but I didn’t know he was a billionaire. Which begs the question, why were you training third rate horses if you could have had the cream of the crop? Was it just for a touch now and then?

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    This is from Wikipedia:

    “In 2018, the Comers purchased Kilmartin House, a 111 acres piece of land in Dublin 15. The land will be used for a residential development.[9] In May 2018 it was reported that the Beckett Building, which was purchased by the Comer Brothers in 2013 for roughly €5 million, was sold to Kookmin Bank for €101 million.”

    Is it really that simple to invest 5M and get back 101M???? And yes, why bother training 300-1 shots, if you can take (almost) everything away from the Magniers at any auction n the world? Would it hurt them to spend 10-15 million and buy some proper racehorses?

    #1663054
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    According to a report , the best horses got best hay , the others not so good hay .So he’s a billionaire skimping a few bob on hay .
    So those 12 horses banned for three years , so that’s them done . I suppose they will track the aftercare of the horses involved because the future for them won’t be in racing .

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    https://www.thecomergroup.com/news/from-plastering-to-property-moguls

    Nice four Yorkshiremen story at the start there. Can you actually plaster in the lashing rain or does the plaster end up rubbish? Can you do a good job when you do in a day what takes everyone else a fortnight or will it be a slapdash job that falls apart? Hmmm.

    “But he’s a billionaire, why would he dope?”
    Perhaps to try to win races to get respect from an industry that thinks he’s an absolute joke

    That self promoting article is how they see themselves and how they want to be seen. Good honest down to earth fingers to the bone seat of the pants pull yourself up by the bootstraps stuff. This is what it says about horses:

    “Luke is highly regarded as a racehorse trainer and owns 70 racehorses and a stud farm in Dunboyne, Co Meath. Brian owns 10 horses. They have five stud farms in all, two “huge” ones in England and a few in Ireland. Some are very successful.

    “We haven’t time really to concentrate on it. If we had time we would make a success of it as well,” Brian says.”

    Highly regarded eh? ;-) Which “huge” stud farms do they own? It’s a load of self aggrandising nonsense. The last bit smacks of a young child saying “Well I wasn’t even really trying anyway, if I actually tried I would beat youse all”.
    Yeah he’s a billionaire, well so was Sean Quinn till it turned out his empire was built on sand. Comer strikes me as a poundshop Sean Quinn. Just a total chancer playing the big man.

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    I like the elbow grease mixed in with the green green grass of Ireland. That song was first performed five years earlier but in the early seventies you could get a pen pusher job in the citi that paid £12 a week. Around at that time I was working in Snettisham Norfolk as I pulled up in my mini to meet the Queen’s gardener. I was living with a charming couple in their – we got it by never touching a drop bungalow – and he worked as a bus driver and fell immediately asleep in a chair when he got in at 4pm.
    One day Mrs Witt told me as she came back laden with shopping – “Oh I could hardly believe it I have just seen a 2 up 2 down house for sale for in the village for £100. ”
    It did interest me somewhat but I was footloose and decided I didn’t want any shackles wedded to my shekels in those earlier days of Pearly Spencer.
    You could earn good money on building sites but never heard of 100 a day the Cromer brothers were on. Price or piece work paid more than a wage, but good luck to them if they were pulling that in.

    In the eighties I was a grafter and once worked alongside a German who could lay 80 metres of woodchip paper a day – that was two two bedroom flats. He was on 17 marks and hour and I told him he was loco.

    The big fields in Ireland require some graft too but I occasionally dip my toe in if a programme suits.

    I am by nature a lazy person but really grafted for a few years in the eighties and all because of Anna Karenin and Tolstoy’s perceptions about the physical beauty of scything a field.

    A lot of paper millionaires or billionaires are mean as hell. Saving on feed saving on suits saving on economy flights – it’s a pattern of living descended down from your roots. People rarely change!

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    Grawmaw had never heard of it, but the missing monkey if you had it, gave you the complete Bible works.

    my mini was a car not a dress !

    #1664031
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    Well there you go, Luke Comer wins the last at Dundalk and there was me thinking he was banned!

    #1664077
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    Under appeal. I’ve just read an article in the Irish times.
    The guy is a very wealthy man and the legalities have taken three years to unravel.
    “People” wanted visits to yards not to take place unannounced. “People” wanted a weeks notice. The mitigation offered was “contaminated horsefeed” and crucially how the steroid(s) was administered could not be ascertained, so this case is not over by a long chalk, there could still be “ not proven” inside the realms of fantasy. If you are looking for a precedent look at the Godolphin scandal was that proven beyond one trainer with enough drugs to sink twenty (battleships) yards never mind his yard? But of course al zaarooni was panic buying for his own yard in case of a shortage in the next twenty years. And the operation continued and Newmarket (and British flat racing) was “saved”.
    The fine is a drop in his ocean and the question I have is if he is so rich why not buy the best have the best facility and the best trainers to train your horses?
    It all seems rather pointless, but mildly sad a bit like Brewster’s millions.
    All that money, but not a shred of commonsense.
    Emperor of all he surveys,subject to appeal.
    If the ihrb feel they are catching up they are not because the goalposts keep moving. Only an outside force/ body could ever handle this because it is way too big. Like a juggernaut or supertanker if the richest man in the land feels it is easier to dope horses (allegedly)to win than pay his way what on earth are some of the others doing?
    One of the best jockeys was on board comers horse last night at Dundalk and no one there has any compunctions about the rights and wrongs of facilitation of a man found guilty of industrial doping of his horses ( subject to appeal). So in an absurd and surreal situation He continues to train and race his horses.
    Perhaps he’d like to branch out and visit England taking in a few meetings before his appeal is heard.
    Perhaps he’d like to come to Yarmouth on a sunny autumn day. He could fly to Norwich and Alan Partridge could be there to meet him. That would be quite normal for Norfolk.

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