Well, that was an ethusiasm-sapping afternoon.

[Professortrubshawe]

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But you don’t "complain" do you Prof.

You just start thread after thread with titles moaning about something or other. And then don’t even tell us what you find so deplorable. Just three little dots.

See above post.

[Gingertipster]

I back one horse in a race, at most two.

If they lose fair and square it’s not a problem to me.

I often complain about racing because at heart I believe there is fundamental dissembling in PARTS of the sport, and not just the all-weather end. I say that as someone who consistently backs good winners, not as a betting shop serial loser. Ultimately, that dissembling to a public which bets in good faith and on which the sport depends becomes, to me anyway, distasteful.

I don’t say it can ever be resolved, but I do reserve the right to complain.

I am not the kind of person who ever subscribes to the pack mentality; the pack mentality on here being that to complain is somehow infra dig, and the act of a fool and that everything is wonderful and all criticism is the fabled pocket talk.
PS: Objecting to Saturday’s disgusting spectacle is, I hope you will agree on this at least, not pocket talk.

This was a thread started about the Thursday of Aintree Prof, not Saturday. With many top class races and Big Buck’s setting a new win record… Yet all you could do was moan obout it being an "enthusiasm sapping afternoon".

It’s obvious that you need to back winners to enjoy racing. Your assertion "If they lose fair and square it’s not a problem to me", does not fit with what I see from your ramblings.

Value Is Everything

[Professortrubshawe]

I back one horse in a race, at most two.

If they lose fair and square it’s not a problem to me.

I often complain about racing because at heart I believe there is fundamental dissembling in PARTS of the sport, and not just the all-weather end. I say that as someone who consistently backs good winners, not as a betting shop serial loser. Ultimately, that dissembling to a public which bets in good faith and on which the sport depends becomes, to me anyway, distasteful.

I don’t say it can ever be resolved, but I do reserve the right to complain.

I am not the kind of person who ever subscribes to the pack mentality; the pack mentality on here being that to complain is somehow infra dig, and the act of a fool and that everything is wonderful and all criticism is the fabled pocket talk.
PS: Objecting to Saturday’s disgusting spectacle is, I hope you will agree on this at least, not pocket talk.

This was a thread started about the Thursday of Aintree Prof, not Saturday. With many top class races and Big Buck’s setting a new win record… Yet all you could do was moan obout it being an "enthusiasm sapping afternoon".

It’s obvious that you need to back winners to enjoy racing. Your assertion "If they lose fair and square it’s not a problem to me", does not fit with what I see from your ramblings.

Yes it was, but my general points are valid.

I enjoy many races for their own sake, so you are wrong about that. As I said in an earlier post, the races I have enjoyed the most I did not even have a bet in. Instead of massaging your clearly vast ego by trying to get the last word, you should maybe pause and consider what I have written.

[Gingertipster]

Come on PTS – you just saw one of the greatest staying hurdlers ever win for the 17th consecutive time, breaking all previous records.

If you can’t get enthusiastic about that…

I hear you, but we all knew he’d win, he was 5/1 on, Crack Away Jack, who has eaten god alone knows how much punters’ money, suddenly shows some each way value (opened 50/1 £8250-£250 Each Way – someone had an inkling…) It wasn’t a race it was a procession. Good on all concerned but it didn’t do much for me.

The rest of the afternoon, no winners or near winners for me. My own fault: I don’t get on with this meeting, but once you start looking at Form, you see things, or you think you do and down goes the money.

I used to be a National fan and good at finding the winner, but the last few years I kind of look at it as an embarrassment, a cruel affair with a usually-knackered victor with four miles of mess, injury and death behind it. Poor old Ballabriggs, almost dead on his feet.

I did "consider what you have written" Prof. You couldn’t get "enthusiastic" about Big Buck’s setting a new consecutive wins record, because he was a 1/5 shot. And moaning about the 50/1 shot who you say "someone had an inkling". Ye Right. Hardly a massive move is it? In to 33/1, just one "point", just 1.1% difference. And this in a race which was particularly advantageous for each way betting, an 8 runner race with a long odds-on fav. And with the obvious 5/1 shot Smad Place unseating something had to be second. Restless Harry also falling, bringing down Won In The Dark. The enigmatic dodgepot Tidal Bay badly hampered. Poungach having his first run for some time ran as if needing the run (probably noticeable in the paddock). That leaves Crack Away Jack and the totally outclassed Accross The Bay, former beat the latter by just 3 1/4 lengths. So the now Tom George trained horse did not need to improve to finish second.

Value Is Everything

[Gingertipster]

But fine, if you’re ok with betting Prof, then my "concern" is misplaced. Just please try to find the reasons for things happening before you post another negative post. And explain things in the original post. Otherwise it just

looks like

a punter who’s miffed about a losing bet and has to have a moan.
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I’ll take your word Prof, that it is not.

Value Is Everything

[Professortrubshawe]

Come on PTS – you just saw one of the greatest staying hurdlers ever win for the 17th consecutive time, breaking all previous records.

If you can’t get enthusiastic about that…

I hear you, but we all knew he’d win, he was 5/1 on, Crack Away Jack, who has eaten god alone knows how much punters’ money, suddenly shows some each way value (opened 50/1 £8250-£250 Each Way – someone had an inkling…) It wasn’t a race it was a procession. Good on all concerned but it didn’t do much for me.

The rest of the afternoon, no winners or near winners for me. My own fault: I don’t get on with this meeting, but once you start looking at Form, you see things, or you think you do and down goes the money.

I used to be a National fan and good at finding the winner, but the last few years I kind of look at it as an embarrassment, a cruel affair with a usually-knackered victor with four miles of mess, injury and death behind it. Poor old Ballabriggs, almost dead on his feet.

I did "consider what you have written" Prof. You couldn’t get "enthusiastic" about Big Buck’s setting a new consecutive wins record, because he was a 1/5 shot. And moaning about the 50/1 shot who you say "someone had an inkling". Ye Right. Hardly a massive move is it? In to 33/1, just one "point", just 1.1% difference. And this in a race which was particularly advantageous for each way betting, an 8 runner race with a long odds-on fav. And with the obvious 5/1 shot Smad Place unseating something had to be second. Restless Harry also falling, bringing down Won In The Dark. The enigmatic dodgepot Tidal Bay badly hampered. Poungach having his first run for some time ran as if needing the run (probably noticeable in the paddock). That leaves Crack Away Jack and the totally outclassed Accross The Bay, former beat the latter by just 3 1/4 lengths. So the now Tom George trained horse did not need to improve to finish second.

There’s an awful lot of ifs in there to explain half a grand’s worth of bet. But you like gobbing off about mathematics, so I will let it lie.

[Professortrubshawe]

But fine, if you’re ok with betting Prof, then my "concern" is misplaced. Just please try to find the reasons for things happening before you post another negative post. And explain things in the original post. Otherwise it just

looks like

a punter who’s miffed about a losing bet and has to have a moan.
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I’ll take your word Prof, that it is not.

Look, ginge. I have told you this till I’m blue in the face: I am not an institutionalised bettor, by which I mean I don’t take everything at face value. It is a hard game to win at, and is in its essence a farce of concealed information. That is beyond dispute. You and your supporters on here live in a sort of Manichean universe: all those who criticise what goes on, even in the tiniest way, are BAD AND BITTER. Those that accept everything that happens at face value are jolly good chaps.

It happens that I don’t see it like that. You will never get away from this essential truth: racing is sport financed by losers, or money bet in vain. The nuances around that fact will always make it be perceived by the general public as a mug’s game. You can lecture us with maths till your googie withers, but those facts stand, old son.

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