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Evidence suggests no over-watering and the Clerk did a pretty good job in making safe good-firm ground.
What are you talking about "SAFE" ? We’re talking about high quality flat racing here not 3 mile chasers, it should be run on fast summer ground if it doesn’t rain.
Simon Rowlands states conditions were faster last year and Willow rates the race highly due to the fast time under the conditions.
As I said earlier, Willow is a law unto himself. I suspect what he’s done is look at ALL Saturday’s Newmarket times and (correctly) seen the 2000 Guineas stands out on over all times. If only going by over all times then he’d be right to rate it an outstanding performance. However, as Simon points out in that betfair/timeform sectional piece, no other good race on Saturday was run with sectionals conducive to achieving a very fast time. So a straight comparisson between over all race times is imo misleading.
Eddie, it seems you’re mistaken about Willow’s opinion.
I’ve just listened/watched his assessment of the 2000 Guineas on RUK and see no difference to my own.Value Is EverythingEddie, it seems you’re mistaken about Willow’s opinion.
I’ve just listened/watched his assessment of the 2000 Guineas on RUK and see no difference to my own.Highly unlikely unless one of you two have changed their mind radically.
If memory serves you considered the race average while Willow rates the race very highly, one of the best of all time and one to follow throughout the season due to calibre of horses involved and the excellent time in the conditions.
Didn’t hear him, although I saw him at the end of the show wearing a very nice purple jumper. What did he say?
Eddie, the raw race time is equal to a Topspeed rating of 81 (excl. RP WFA) on ground being called good to firm.
So, to actually go on and normalise for that good to firm ground, you’d have to _lower_ that 81 rating a good deal more still.
So, if the guineas winner lacks scope, in due course, I’d be hopeful for it to sneek into a Wolverhampton 0-75 handicap.
Eddie, it seems you’re mistaken about Willow’s opinion.
I’ve just listened/watched his assessment of the 2000 Guineas on RUK and see no difference to my own.Highly unlikely unless one of you two have changed their mind radically.
If memory serves you considered the race average while Willow rates the race very highly, one of the best of all time and one to follow throughout the season due to calibre of horses involved and the excellent time in the conditions.
Didn’t hear him, although I saw him at the end of the show wearing a very nice purple jumper. What did he say?
What did Willow actually say on Sunday? Because if he said "I rank the 2000 Guneas form very highly", then so do I; as high as an average winner of the 2000 Guineas. As I said "average" is not derogitory in the sense I used it.
I’d have (in order they’ve run): Dawn Approach, Frankel, Sea The Stars, Henrythenavigator, George Washington, Haafhd and Kings Best as better performances than Night Of Thunder…
With: Camelot, Makfi, Cockney Rebel, Footstepsinthesand, Refuse To Bend, Rock Of Gibraltar and Golan worse than Night Of Thunder…
7 better and 7 worse makes this year’s winner imo Eddie – an average 2000 Guineas winning performance.
How is rating Night Of Thunder better than "Camelot, Makfi, Cockney Rebel, Footstepsinthesand, Refuse To Bend, Rock Of Gibraltar and Golan" – not rating him "very highly"?
Did Willow actually say "one of the best of all time"? Because he said this afternoon the fact so many horses were fairly close means it keeps the form down (to a certain degree) – or words to that effect.
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7 horses within 4 1/4 lengths
, something that might happen with an above average winner in a
slowly run
Guineas, but
unlikely
in a
truly run
Guineas.
Value Is EverythingIt’s always difficult trying to judge different eras but to me this wasn’t a vintage guineas. Kingman looks as if 8f was his limit and only Australia could come out of the race with reputation enhanced as not only did he seem a little unlucky when put off by not but all his breeding suggests Saturday was a bonus and all roads lead to Epsom. As for the winner,he showed a fine turn of foot to win but you get the impression that if all the milers turned up for the St. James’s palace I wouldn’t put much money on the order being the same. Great ride from Kieran though and he seems to be on the crest of a wave. The curragh guineas could well see the likes of war command a lot closer and aiden obrien will no doubt have a lightly raced horse in the mix. The first two had a previous run and those having their first run will come on a bundle for the race.
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