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Great race there at fairyhouse with Apple’s Jade and Vroum Vroum Mag fighting it out head to head after the last.
Had O’Leary’s horses still been with Willie then we wouldn’t have seen that race.
I’m sure Mullins won’t agree but you would have to say the split between him and O’Leary has done us all a favour.
Good for Irish racing yes, best thing? Don’t know enough about Irish Racing.
As the Drinmore proves, O’Leary and to a certain degree JP don’t mind their own horses meeting each other.
Mullins seems to pick one good one to run and then may be another couple of not-so-good – which leads to uncompetitive stuff.What doesn’t do Irish Racing any good is the three owners dominte everything. Other owners haven’t got a chance so how are they to attract new owners?
If I were an Irish owner I’d pack up and come to Britain.Value Is EverythingVery fair point, David. The break should make for some great races in Ireland and in England
How do we know the race would not have taken place without the switch, different owners the horses have to run somewhere and Mullins is running 2/3 in races currently as it stands, as Elliot and Gigginstown are forced to do now also. If they can take down all the prize money instead of some or none then why not run
Bar One Racing Royal Bond Novice Hurdle (Grade 1) 2m
1st 6 Airlie Beach (IRE) W P Mullins 6 11-3 D E Mullins 4/1
Led, joined briefly 3 out, jumped left next, ridden to go 4 lengths clear approaching last, kept on well run-in
2nd 6½ 4 Saturnas (FR) W P Mullins 5 11-10 P Townend 7/1
Chased leaders, 4th halfway, not fluent 5th, closer 3 out and ridden to go 2nd after next, no impression on winner before last, kept on one pace
3rd 2¾ 2 Le Martalin (FR) N Meade 5 11-10 ht S W Flanagan 14/1
Tracked leader, ran freely, disputed briefly 3 out, pushed along in 3rd before next, ridden and no impression on winner approaching last, kept on one pace
4th 5½ 3 Penhill W P Mullins 5 11-10 R Walsh 10/3
Towards rear, closer 3 out, pushed along and badly hampered next, ridden and no impression in 4th when not fluent last, kept on one paceBar One Racing Hatton’s Grace Hurdle (Grade 1) 2m 4f
1st 7 Apple’s Jade (FR) G Elliott 4 10-13 B J Cooper 4/1
Tracked leader, 2nd halfway, progress to lead entering straight, strongly pressed and joined last, kept on well under pressure run-in, led close home
2nd s.h 5 Vroum Vroum Mag (FR) W P Mullins 7 11-3 R Walsh 4/7f
Held up on inner, 5th halfway, progress after 2 out and challenged last, ridden and every chance run-in, just failed
3rd 7 3 Shaneshill (IRE) W P Mullins 7 11-10 P Townend 5/1
Tracked leaders, 3rd halfway, short of room approaching 2 out, ridden in 3rd and bad mistake last, no impression and kept on one paceFair comment on the face of it Rollo, but would Mullins have risked the rep of his unbeaten mare?
Only the owner can answer that but with the switching between trips,fences and hurdles to date you might think he will simply run where he believes she can be competitive..there is also the idea that if you are too afraid to lose it isn’t usually the best frame of mind to be in in order to win, but who knows
The discussion is interesting as the same question could be raised about other trainers who have multiple entries in races, presumably the horses need to be trained and ran as individuals as it would be such a negative frame of mind to suddenly have to apply the handbrake when the horse is coming right, the obvious exception is pacemaking…or so called pacemakingIt might have done Rollo. Mullins has had horses take each other on plenty times in the past for sure. But I’d say, outwith Cheltenham where he is often forced to run them against each other in the top races, such clashes are now more likely to occur than they would have been had O’Leary not moved his horses. I’m pretty sure that both Vroum Vroum Mag and Apple’s Jade wouldn’t have run in the race today had Mullins still had both of them. maybe he would have but I’d doubt it.
I have to agree with you David.
IMO there is no way these two would have faced each other if Mullins still had them both and yes it is a good thing for Irish racing the split!!
Mullins regularly runs his own horses against each other, just usually different owners.
He had Nichols Canyon beating Faugheen (losing his unbeaten tag) last season and then yesterday you had VVM and shaneshill. Royal bond he had 3.The whole point people were making was – ach its great now Mullins has lost Apple Jade, he’d have run her in the Mares instead of her place in the champion.
Now Elliot is training her and where does he say her target is? The Mares.
Cop off it lads.KSS Faugheen and NC hardly an appropriate example, though. You’d need to go an awful long way to find someone who believed NC had any real chance of ending Faugheen’s unbeaten run that day.
KSS Faugheen and NC hardly an appropriate example, though. You’d need to go an awful long way to find someone who believed NC had any real chance of ending Faugheen’s unbeaten run that day.
Only because Faugheen was/is a superstar and was unbeaten. But he still took the risk of entering a grade 1 horse against his unbeaten star. He didn’t have to.
The rest of my point remains however even if you do not agree with that example.Great race there at fairyhouse with Apple’s Jade and Vroum Vroum Mag fighting it out head to head after the last.
It also means the Mares Hurdle at Cheltenham will be a two horse race rather than a walkover.
Value Is EverythingOnly because Faugheen was/is a superstar and was unbeaten. But he still took the risk of entering a grade 1 horse against his unbeaten star. He didn’t have to.
The rest of my point remains however even if you do not agree with that example.Faugheen is no more than a superstar than Annie Power. Sadly Mullins chose to go for the easy option/Mares hurdle with Annie to avoid the pair meeting. Although Cheltenham are as much at fault for that.
Value Is EverythingOnly because Faugheen was/is a superstar and was unbeaten. But he still took the risk of entering a grade 1 horse against his unbeaten star. He didn’t have to.
The rest of my point remains however even if you do not agree with that example.Faugheen is no more than a superstar than Annie Power. Sadly Mullins chose to go for the easy option/Mares hurdle with Annie to avoid the pair meeting. Although Cheltenham are as much at fault for that.
Is the owner not as much in question when its the same ownership? Ricci has already said he doesn’t want the two to race against each other. Rewatch his appearance on On the Line from few weeks back.
This thread was about Mullins losing the Gigg string and whether this was the best thing to happen Irish racing in 20years. People said Apples Jade would get to run in the champion and Mullins wouldn’t have allowed it etc when infact it looks like the new trainer and same owner are targeting the mares races.
Mullins regularly runs his own horses against each other. however he usually does split his horses by OWNER. Usually he wouldn’t put two Ricci horses against each other, 2 Wylie etc. However I don’t think he would have had a problem putting a Gigg horse against either owner. People speak about Ruby splitting horses – he wouldn’t have had a say in this either.
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