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‘W Six Times’ running today – grrrh!

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  • #21613
    betlarge
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    Yes, Michael Dickinson’s classy chaser from the early/mid 80’s is apparently running in the novices’ hurdle at Towcester tonight.

    Still, Simon Sherwood’s 1992 Triumph Hurdle winner Duke Of Monmouth finished 2nd at Ffos Las yesterday so what the hell?

    With a matrix of 18 characters and 26 letters, surely people can come up with an original, non-copied name??

    Amusingly, W Six Times (the original one) stood for ‘waited with, will win when wanted’! Most unfair on the prolific Dickinson chaser which won all the time.

    Mike

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    cormack15
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    I noticed W Six Times running recently. Very uninspired name selection.

    W Six Times – was he one of the Boxing Day 12?

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    I noticed W Six Times running recently. Very uninspired name selection.

    W Six Times – was he one of the Boxing Day 12?

    He was, winning at Wetherby – one of five handicap chases he won that season.

    Dickinson himself ended the season with 120 winners from a stable of just 55 horses. A phenomenal achievement in comparison with today’s massive stables.

    And of course, the first five home in the Gold Cup a few weeks later. We’ll surely never witness his like again.

    Mike

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    You never know Mike – maybe Henderson will run Long Run, Finian’s Rainbow, Sprinter Sacre and Riverside Theatre with Burton Port the Ashley House of the quintet!!

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    Sacrilege, shouldn’t be able to re-use names like this.

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    You never know Mike – maybe Henderson will run Long Run, Finian’s Rainbow, Sprinter Sacre and Riverside Theatre with Burton Port the Ashley House of the quintet!!

    Go on then – I’ll give you 16-1 !

    Mike

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    American Jockey Club restrictions on names:

    E. Names of horses over ten years old may be eligible for use if they are not excluded under Rule 6(F) and have not been used during the preceding five years either for breeding or racing.

    Names of horses that were never used for breeding or racing may be available for use five years from the date of their death as reported.

    F. The following classes of names are not eligible for use:

    1. Names consisting of more than 18 letters (spaces and punctuation marks count as letters);
    2. Names consisting entirely of initials such as C.O.D., F.O.B., etc.;
    3. Names ending in "filly," "colt," "stud," "mare," "stallion," or any similar horse-related term;
    4. Names consisting entirely of numbers. Numbers above thirty may be used if they are spelled out;
    5. Names ending with a numerical designation such as "2nd" or "3rd," whether or not such a designation is spelled out;
    6. Names of living persons unless written permission to use their name is on file with The Jockey Club;
    7. Names of persons no longer living unless approval is granted by The Jockey Club based upon a satisfactory written explanation submitted to the Registrar;
    8. Names of racetracks or graded stakes races;
    9. Names clearly having commercial, artistic or creative significance;
    10. Names that are suggestive or have a vulgar or obscene meaning; names considered in poor taste; or names that may be offensive to religious, political or ethnic groups;
    11. Names that appear to be designed to harass, humiliate or disparage a specific individual, group of individuals or entity;
    12. Names that are currently active either in racing or breeding (see Rule6(E));

    13. Names of winners in the past 25 years of grade one stakes races;
    14. Permanent names. The list of criteria to establish a permanent name is as follows:
    a. Horses in racing’s Hall of Fame;
    b. Horses that have been voted Horse of the Year;
    c. Horses that have won an Eclipse Award;
    d. Horses that have won a Sovereign Award (Canadian Champions);
    e. Annual leading sire and broodmare sire by progeny earnings;
    f. Cumulative money winners of $2 million or more;
    g. Horses that have won the Kentucky Derby, Preakness, Belmont Stakes, The Jockey Club Gold Cup, the Breeders’ Cup Classic or the Breeders’ Cup Turf; and
    h. Horses included in the International List of Protected Names.
    15. Names similar in spelling or pronunciation to the classes of names listed in Rule 6(F) 6 – 14 above.

    16. Names of horses previously recorded in The American Stud Book by the same sire or out of the same dam as the foal for which the attempt is made.
    17. Names of horses appearing within the first five generations of the pedigree of the foal for which the attempt is made.

    The International List of Protected Names is here http://www.horseracingintfed.com/resources/NP_2012.pdf

    #402068
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    Caerleon won the 1931 Eclipse.

    Caerleon II won the 1983 Prix du Jockey Club and later became champion sire due to the exploits of Generous.

    Presumably the was a Sea Bird who ran before the son of Dan Cupid carved his name into equine history.

    The different country of origin suffices mean that it is possible and I believe it has happened, that horses of the same name have run in the same race.

    A trawl through the runners in the Derbies and St Legers of the past will reveal many repeated names.

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    Sea-Bird was only Sea-Bird II in the US. Same with Grey Dawn.

    Apparently the original W Six Times is now W Six Time I, at least on the Racing Post.

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    Grey Mirage running in the Esher Cup tomorrow.

    His predecessor is perhaps most famous as the sire of a certain grey, he won Guineas trials at Kempton and Ascot in 1972 before running well behind the Brigadier in the Lockinge in receipt of 22lb.

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