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- August 5, 2008 at 22:57 #8577
Unacceptable situation this afternoon at Chepstow when Vince Slattery was jocked off the eventual winner Royal Island in the 3.45 race in favour of joint champion jockey Jamie Spencer. You cannot help but feel for Slattery who, without any other intended mounts, lost his only ride of the day and more importantly a rare winner.
For a jockey willing to travel up and down the country – and holding the distinction of riding at every course – this is unfair treatment. Surely a rule should be in place by which a legitimate reason for a jockey change (injury, stuck in traffic etc) is required rather than the owners taking the view that a better jockey was free to take the ride?
At The Races eluded to another incident whereby an apprentice was jocked off for Kieran Fallon in similar circumstances a few years ago, surely some action must be taken. It is neither fair on the jockey nor the betting public, some of whom like to follow certain jockeys.
Interestingly, the horse in question was heavily backed into odds on after the announcment that Spencer would be in the saddle, [deleted]
August 6, 2008 at 00:50 #176246
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Thats life im afraid, as long as you got your health nothing matters.
August 6, 2008 at 00:58 #176247Racing Post reports that Slattery aggravated an old shoulder injury whilst riding in the first
August 6, 2008 at 01:04 #176248If you change Jocky’s you should be able to change Horse’s – as they did when they substituted a ringer horse in the 15:00 at Catterick.
Running Pairumani Pat (IRE) instead of Pai Rumani Pat (IRE).

Backing two runners is the relentless pursuit of value. Backing each way is a shortcut to the poor house. Only 7% make a long term profit.
August 6, 2008 at 06:37 #176258There is a rule.
August 6, 2008 at 09:24 #176264141. (iii)
After the time on the day fixed under Order 128 for the declaration of Rider, a substitution of Rider shall only be permitted if the HRA or Stewards are satisfied that any one of the circumstances below applies unless the HRA or Stewards otherwise direct:-(a) illness, or Rider declared unfit to ride;
(b) unqualified Rider declared;
(c) a meeting on the same day has been abandoned and the Rider was declared to ride at the abandoned meeting;
(d) the Rider was declared to ride at another meeting on the same day and one of his declared rides is unable to run (See Instruction D2);
(e) the Rider was declared to ride another horse in the same race but the horse is unable to run;
(f) some other circumstances acceptable to the HRA or the Stewards;
(g) the Rider was not declared to ride because he had already been declared to ride at nine meetings but subsequently did not ride at one of those meetings (see Instruction D25).
In all cases the substitution is subject to the Rider being weighed within the times specified in Sub-Rule (vi) of this Rule and to the provisions of Sub-Rule (v) of this Rule. Where the HRA or the Stewards are not satisfied that any of the above circumstances have been fulfilled but have nonetheless permitted the substitution to take place because, at the instruction of the Trainer or Owner, the declared Rider is not present to ride, the Trainer or Owner as the case may be shall be guilty of an offence.
August 6, 2008 at 09:54 #176267141. (iii)
After the time on the day fixed under Order 128 for the declaration of Rider, a substitution of Rider shall only be permitted if the HRA or Stewards are satisfied that any one of the circumstances below applies unless the HRA or Stewards otherwise direct:-(a) illness, or Rider declared unfit to ride;
(b) unqualified Rider declared;
(c) a meeting on the same day has been abandoned and the Rider was declared to ride at the abandoned meeting;
(d) the Rider was declared to ride at another meeting on the same day and one of his declared rides is unable to run (See Instruction D2);
(e) the Rider was declared to ride another horse in the same race but the horse is unable to run;
[b:1hppwzaq](f) some other circumstances acceptable to the HRA or the Stewards; [/b:1hppwzaq]
(g) the Rider was not declared to ride because he had already been declared to ride at nine meetings but subsequently did not ride at one of those meetings (see Instruction D25).
In all cases the substitution is subject to the Rider being weighed within the times specified in Sub-Rule (vi) of this Rule and to the provisions of Sub-Rule (v) of this Rule. Where the HRA or the Stewards are not satisfied that any of the above circumstances have been fulfilled but have nonetheless permitted the substitution to take place because, at the instruction of the Trainer or Owner, the declared Rider is not present to ride, the Trainer or Owner as the case may be shall be guilty of an offence.
Great one that.Basically it means that they have the discretion to allow a replacement jockey whenever they see fit, and therefore all the other rules are irrelevant because they can always come out and say they allowed it under rule 141.iii.(f)
Mike
August 6, 2008 at 11:03 #176275erm….no it doesn’t ~ it simply allows the stewards to act correctly in the event of unique circumstances.
August 6, 2008 at 11:20 #176277Unacceptable situation this afternoon at Chepstow when Vince Slattery was jocked off the eventual winner Royal Island in the 3.45 race in favour of joint champion jockey Jamie Spencer. You cannot help but feel for Slattery who, without any other intended mounts, lost his only ride of the day and more importantly a rare winner.
For a jockey willing to travel up and down the country – and holding the distinction of riding at every course – this is unfair treatment. Surely a rule should be in place by which a legitimate reason for a jockey change (injury, stuck in traffic etc) is required rather than the owners taking the view that a better jockey was free to take the ride?
At The Races eluded to another incident whereby an apprentice was jocked off for Kieran Fallon in similar circumstances a few years ago, surely some action must be taken. It is neither fair on the jockey nor the betting public, some of whom like to follow certain jockeys.
Interestingly, the horse in question was heavily backed into odds on after
the announcment that Spencer would be in the saddle, [deleted]
The Fallon incident you referred to occurred on a Mark Wallace horse at Brighton a few years ago. An unknown apprentice was booked but failed to appear, allegedly having got lost on his way to the course.
Huge succesful plunge, Fallon announced as change of rider.Needed all Fallon’s strength to get upAugust 6, 2008 at 11:23 #176278erm….no it doesn’t ~ it simply allows the stewards to act correctly in the event of unique circumstances.
Where does it say unique?
It says "some other circumstances acceptable to the HRA or stewards" and to me that means they can use their discretion when they see fit.
Basically, if the stewards on track are in agreement, they can accept any circumstance they like – it’s up to their discretion. Unless you can show me a list of circumstances that they are allowed or not allowed to accept then my opinion won’t change. If you can, then I will happily change my view.
Mike
August 7, 2008 at 09:25 #176342The Fallon incident you referred to occurred on a Mark Wallace horse at Brighton a few years ago. An unknown apprentice was booked but failed to appear, allegedly having got lost on his way to the course.
Huge succesful plunge, Fallon announced as change of rider.Needed all Fallon’s strength to get upThe jockey Karl Bowman was being driven to the course by Sam Hanlon (Wallaces secretary at the time) but unfortuneatly her sense of direction failed her that day and they missed the turn off the motorway or some other such fairy tale. Thankfully her sense of direction returned when making bedfellow with Fallon as she later claimed he was the father of her son Kieran.
August 7, 2008 at 11:18 #176353In France, a rider may only be substituted for one of comparable stature – so a 7lb claimer would have to be replaced by someone similar.
It didn’t really work in Ralph Beckett’s favour a few years ago when Nelson de Souza (then claiming 5lb) got injured the day before he was supposed to fly to France for a Listed contest. The local stewards insisted that he had to be replaced by someone who had only ridden a handful of winners, as de Souza’s 30-odd winners in Brazil apparently did not count.
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