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I always take prices, mainly short term ante-post.
Beating SP, you betcha, sadly it just doesn’t help when they keep getting pumped.
This weekend:-
Nyaleti 3/1 into 2/1
Nelson 10/3 into 5/6
Olmedo 8/1 into 5/2
Signs Of Blessing 11/2 into 7/2
Zelzal 11/2 into 19/10
Cloth Of Stars 40/1 into 21/1
Big Country 16/1 into 7/1
Brorocco 14/1 into 17/2
Different League 8/1 into 4/1Not a copper coin in returns.
Still, had a winning double on Thursday that softened it slightly but very disappointing putting the work in and not even getting one to show for it. Might as well be 1000/1 then.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I always take prices, mainly short term ante-post.
Beating SP, you betcha, sadly it just doesn’t help when they keep getting pumped.
This weekend:-
Nyaleti 3/1 into 2/1
Nelson 10/3 into 5/6
Olmedo 8/1 into 5/2
Signs Of Blessing 11/2 into 7/2
Zelzal 11/2 into 19/10
Cloth Of Stars 40/1 into 21/1
Big Country 16/1 into 7/1
Brorocco 14/1 into 17/2
Different League 8/1 into 4/1Not a copper coin in returns.
Still, had a winning double on Thursday that softened it slightly but very disappointing putting the work in and not even getting one to show for it. Might as well be 1000/1 then.
Yeah I guess this is one of the things that puts me off actually putting serious work in (other than just being damn lazy) the thought that I might have actually put in some serious time rather than just watching some videos and betting on “feel”, the thought that you could do all that and still get seriously unlucky.
You would have to have tremendous amount of patience to do that amount of work and take the blows when they come. Most punters having just had your weekend Steve would seriously ramp up the stakes, suffering from gamblers fallacy, the belief that because they’ve had a losing run their luck is due to “turn”
I should know I’ve been suffering from gamblers fallacy all year
Oddschecker has a list of bookies going BOG for bets within the decs period. You sure that was an antepost race Judge? Was an ordinary conditions stakes. When did you put the bet on?
No as I stated in my post Joe it had nothing to do with Ante-post, it was a bet I placed today, down the betting shop. I tend to avoid betting online, because I find it very easy to do “loose” bets, ie chuck bets on anything and everything when it’s there in front of you 24/7.
Obviously not having BOG is a huge handicap.
And as Yeats says the proof is in the pudding.
It really is very simple, bet online with BOG and get to know when the overound is in the punters favour, as LS3 says, it’s generally around 10-11am on the morning of a race.
If you can’t stop yourself having ‘loose bets’ I wouldn’t bother betting at all.
Oddschecker has a list of bookies going BOG for bets within the decs period. You sure that was an antepost race Judge? Was an ordinary conditions stakes. When did you put the bet on?
No as I stated in my post Joe it had nothing to do with Ante-post, it was a bet I placed today, down the betting shop. I tend to avoid betting online, because I find it very easy to do “loose” bets, ie chuck bets on anything and everything when it’s there in front of you 24/7.
Obviously not having BOG is a huge handicap.
And as Yeats says the proof is in the pudding.
It really is very simple, bet online with BOG and get to know when the overound is in the punters favour, as LS3 says, it’s generally around 10-11am on the morning of a race.
If you can’t stop yourself having ‘loose bets’ I wouldn’t bother betting at all.
No but I can generally stop myself doing loose bets when I just bet down the betting shop, what part of this do you struggle to understand, or do you just like making patronising comments.
Plenty of bookies do BOG in-store as I’ve pointed out above – perhaps others can elaborate on any others who offer it?
On the rare occasions I watch a race in-store at somewhere like Hills I pity the old boys sitting there taking SP right before the off – taking the price with BOG is a no-brainer in getting some precious value off the bookies…
BOG or no BOG, If the majority of a punter’s bets lengthen then he/she is backing the wrong horses. It’s as simple as that.
Every punter should be looking for over-priced horses. If a punter can not identify over-priced horses then there’s no way he/she can make a profit.
ie A bookmaker’s odds compiler works out what he believes the fair chances are for each horse in the race. The bookmaker then adds a small mark up and it’s those marked up prices he offers. But it’s only an opinion.
There are thousands of good judges in Punterland who can identify over-priced horses; so unless a good judge takes that price other good judges will and therefore the price shortens… And in order for the over-round to remain the same – if one price shortens others in the market (deemed poor value by the good judges) will lengthen.Sorry Judge but: If a punter consistently backs horses that subsequently lengthen he/she is consistently having poor bets. Or in other words – backing the wrong horses.
Value Is EverythingWell I’d agree with that Ginger. Probably my methods are wrong but I’m probably too old to change.
As Ginge says if you’re consistently backing ‘drifters’ then your form reading and/or ability to read the markets is awry somewhere and you’ll never make a profit. I realise that’s not important to everyone and I’ve no idea if your a serious punter or not? But if you are, then not using every possible advantage you have, such as BOG is foolish, if gambling for you is just for fun then fair enough. I haven’t been into a bookies for years but if you can get BOG in the office then always take it.
Apologies if I came across as patronizing, I post rarely these days but do read plenty on here and it’s frustrating when punters such as yourself who obviously know and love racing don’t use all the tools we as punters have available to us.
As Ginge says if you’re consistently backing ‘drifters’ then your form reading and/or ability to read the markets is awry somewhere and you’ll never make a profit. I realise that’s not important to everyone and I’ve no idea if your a serious punter or not? But if you are, then not using every possible advantage you have, such as BOG is foolish, if gambling for you is just for fun then fair enough. I haven’t been into a bookies for years but if you can get BOG in the office then always take it.
Apologies if I came across as patronizing, I post rarely these days but do read plenty on here and it’s frustrating when punters such as yourself who obviously know and love racing don’t use all the tools we as punters have available to us.
Yes I understand but as I explained above I’m rather sceptical about the merits of online betting- it’s always there, 24/7. Why do you think bookmakers are so keen to give out bonuses and so on- they know once they have you there and have your card details it’s like happy days for them. Even if they have to take a minor hit at the beginning, they’ll get it back and then some.
Btw I think you and ginger miss the point of this. I was talking about backing horses that drift and then win. Dee Ex Bee won, didn’t it?
Yes I understand but as I explained above I’m rather sceptical about the merits of online betting- it’s always there, 24/7. Why do you think bookmakers are so keen to give out bonuses and so on- they know once they have you there and have your card details it’s like happy days for them. Even if they have to take a minor hit at the beginning, they’ll get it back and then some.
Btw I think you and ginger miss the point of this. I was talking about backing horses that drift and then win. Dee Ex Bee won, didn’t it?
If a bookmaker sees a punter is doing well he’ll withdraw “bonuses” and some even withdraw BOG.
It does not matter if you’re talking about horses that drift and win or drift and lose; Judge. Fact is poor value bets drift and win all the time; if you’re consistently backing poor value horses you’ll still end up losing long term because you have not identified value.
If not trusting yourself betting online because you’ll get carried away with betting, then you’re right not to bet online. But if that’s the case hope you’ve at least asked yourself whether it’s right to be betting at all.
Value Is EverythingOf course horses drift and win every day, that’s perfectly normal. The fact is if that scenario plays out it NEVER costs me a penny.
Yes I understand but as I explained above I’m rather sceptical about the merits of online betting- it’s always there, 24/7. Why do you think bookmakers are so keen to give out bonuses and so on- they know once they have you there and have your card details it’s like happy days for them. Even if they have to take a minor hit at the beginning, they’ll get it back and then some.
Btw I think you and ginger miss the point of this. I was talking about backing horses that drift and then win. Dee Ex Bee won, didn’t it?
If a bookmaker sees a punter is doing well he’ll withdraw “bonuses” and some even withdraw BOG.
It does not matter if you’re talking about horses that drift and win or drift and lose; Judge. Fact is poor value bets drift and win all the time; if you’re consistently backing poor value horses you’ll still end up losing long term because you have not identified value.
If not trusting yourself betting online because you’ll get carried away with betting, then you’re right not to bet online. But if that’s the case hope you’ve at least asked yourself whether it’s right to be betting at all.
So you’re saying that EVERY horse that drifts out is bad value, ginger? or not possible that the market can get it wrong?
Of course horses drift and win every day, that’s perfectly normal. The fact is if that scenario plays out it NEVER costs me a penny.
Well good luck to you, but if the bookmakers are so accomodating, then you have to ask yourself are you as successful as you think you are?
Of course horses drift and win every day, that’s perfectly normal. The fact is if that scenario plays out it NEVER costs me a penny.
Well good luck to you, but if the bookmakers are so accomodating, then you have to ask yourself are you as successful as you think you are?
I don’t place many bets these days for a multitude of reasons, but if by ‘successful’ you mean in the black year on year then yes I am.
So you’re saying that EVERY horse that drifts out is bad value, ginger? or not possible that the market can get it wrong?
No Judge, certainly not “EVERY” horse that drifts, although certainly vast majority that drift badly. We all back some that drift but you were saying horses you back consistently drift… There are so many good judges out there that when the “market” gets a horse “wrong” at least some good judges will identify it and therefore horses shorten. Good judges will usually identify horses that drift out to a value price too – before shortening again.
NB: I am talking about those who are value or not value on “form”. Sometimes a horse will shorten or lengthen not because of “form” but due to home reputation. But it’s impossible for those not in the know to identify these – so am not including them. Only “form” value can be identified through studying form.
Value Is EverythingOf course horses drift and win every day, that’s perfectly normal. The fact is if that scenario plays out it NEVER costs me a penny.
Well good luck to you, but if the bookmakers are so accomodating, then you have to ask yourself are you as successful as you think you are?
I don’t place many bets these days for a multitude of reasons, but if by ‘successful’ you mean in the black year on year then yes I am.
you sound modest about it as well….
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