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The people who had backed Twist Magic would have been pretty brassed off if everything possible wasn’t done to get the horse to race. Think Petit Robin was given a very hard ride by McCoy that will take him a while to recover from [contradicting myself in that people who backed said horse would have been pretty brassed off if McCoy hadn’t done so].
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I would suggest over half of NH races have what can be deemed as "unfair" starts with either runners getting flyers or being left behind – any particular reason for singling this one out?
Winning margin was 12 lengths – how much "advantage" did he have at the start?
Reason I pointed this one out is:
As you are aware Paul, some horses are suited by racing prominently and are not able to reproduce their form if closed in by rivals or not able to race prominently when not getting a good start. Had Twist Magic NOT been able to get a good early position, there was a good chance he would NOT have won (despite winning by 12 lengths). Nothing to do with ability, but because his mind would not have been on the job.The starter effectively did Ruby’s job for him, he allowed Twist Magic to get a good early position. Does not matter how big that early advantage was, the fact it was an advantage was enough, because of Twist Magic’s temperament.
The distance a horse wins by does not give the whole picture.
I think your looking at this the wrong way Ginge.
Ruby was led in to make sure he got away and in affect was taking off when the tape went up. That’s pretty normal when you get a horse who is a bit troubleome. The starter was simply doing his job and it was a perfect start.
Ruby never sought to gain any advantage from it and immediately took a pull jumping the first only 1/2 length in front. Then he took another pull to settle the horse and stop from running away with him and get him into a nice even stride.
If anything it was a slight disadavtage as had he just went of with the others he would have spent less energy getting to that position.
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Best horse in the race by a mile, couple of lengths start or not.
2nd best 2m Chaser in the country!Simple As!
Perhaps but only on park courses and Big Zeb and FPDP when they are right would give him a lot more to do than they did at Sandown. Both are well capable of much better than that.
Petite Robin not only jumped like a pig today Nicky Henderson should go back to plan A and run him over 2m4f.
I think 6/1 or even 8/1 is a shockingly bad price for Twist Magic for the QMCC and even if Master Minded doesn’t run I wouldn’t back him with bad money.
This "coming of age" is rubbish he’s always been a decent horse and the form of the two races he has won is somewhat suspect. He’ll need more than a Ginger start to win at Cheltenham.
Petite Robin not only jumped like a pig today Nicky Henderson should go back to plan A and run him over 2m4f.
Agree with that, he’s never a 2 miler.
Petite Robin not only jumped like a pig today Nicky Henderson should go back to plan A and run him over 2m4f.
Agree with that, he’s never a 2 miler.
Gaz there were plenty on here last year who thought Twist Magic was a 11/2m horse,time has shown he is the real deal that some of us knew he was anyway!Petit Robin was quite simply out classed by the 2nd best Chaser in the Country!I still think he would have ran Master Minded to the line in the 08 Tingle Creek!He will put all the "I hate Cheltenham" knockers to the sword in March!Connections of Forpady should listen to the King and run him in the Ryanair now!
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Petit Robin lugged left at a number of fences today and consequently jumped like a crab. With no other horse making a race of it, Twist Magic had the race won turning in, and while unchallenged after, his stride was still visibly shortening on the run to the line.
If that, or a 13l beating of Oh Crick amounts to Champion Chase winning form, then I’ll finish 3rd on the milk-horse.Despite his authoratative display today I think his hesitation at the start made him a less rather than more likely winner of the QM.
He clearly isn’t a totally reformed character and the hulabaloo of the QM preliminaries will test him thoroughly.If Twist Magic runs to todays and Sandown’s form at Cheltenham only Master Minded is a threat.
A furlong shorter at Cheltenham and possibly quicker ground will only enhance this horse’s claims.
Fist I don’t know where you get the idea that Forpadydeplasterer is better than his Sandown run from he hardly has a prolific win record and he won a very average Arkle last year. He’s a good ten pounds behind Twist Magic easily.
Best horse in the race by a mile, couple of lengths start or not.
100% correct imo. A man amongst boys in the race today.
If that, or a 13l beating of Oh Crick amounts to Champion Chase winning form, then I’ll finish 3rd on the milk-horse.
Forpadydeplasterers better than a Milk horse!
Yep, the hesitancy at the start was a concern and Ruby riding him with feet out of the irons on the way down also indicated that he’s a tricky customer and Cheltenham preliminaries will be a test.
Agree that it’s hard to quite see where today’s form leaves him with Master Minded but if he (TM) ran to top form in the QM then it’ll be close. You’d be richer laying horses coming back from injury/setbacks than backing them so I remain to be convinced about Master Minded.
Clearly, if he is the same horse that won the QM two years ago they are all in big trouble. If he’s the same as last year then Twist Magic will give him something serious to think about. If he runs below the form of last year’s win then Twist Magic must have every chance. The two of them look a division above their contemporaries.
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Imo, it isn’t about how good Twist Magic is, simply about his stamina, and anyone taking an objective look at today’s race should see that he was definitely wilting in the closing stages.
Against a decent field, and at a better pace, he still has to prove he’ll stay up the Cheltenham hill – something he’s failed to do in all 3 attempts previously. Even without Masterminded and a field lacking other top class horses, I’d say there are grave doubts about him doing it.Of all the National Hunt races in Britain and Ireland that simply have ridiculous starts, (horses strung out over 20 lengths before they’ve passed the tape without expanding any energy) you chose to highlight this one by saying Twist Magic had an unfair advantage?
Agree with Reet – the race aint worth watching again and Twist Magic is still a non-staying goat, more or less. Everything went ‘its’ way.
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If Twist Magic runs to todays and Sandown’s form at Cheltenham only Master Minded is a threat.
A furlong shorter at Cheltenham and possibly quicker ground will only enhance this horse’s claims.
Fist I don’t know where you get the idea that Forpadydeplasterer is better than his Sandown run from he hardly has a prolific win record and he won a very average Arkle last year. He’s a good ten pounds behind Twist Magic easily.
FPDP looked no more like a Cheltenham horse than flying in the air last season until he hit the front in the Arkle. Round Cheltenham Ian he be 10lbs better than Twist Magic. Watch my lips as they say "Twist Magic does not get 2 miles round Cheltenham and anyone who backs him for the QMCC needs a labotomy"
It’s not only what Twist Magic has done this season it was others have failed to do in the same way he failed to do it when beaten in the very same race by Tamarind Blue.
He was another one who was going to win the QMCC..how many said he had to be good he beat Twist Magic?
Unless you are Master Minded these mid season races mean very little and as Reet rightly points out he’s beat nothing. Having said that it was a decent time in comparson to others on the day but Ascot isn’t Cheltenham.
Take some time out and watch the last two QMCC’s. Twist Magic at no time was put into the race…quite frankly he wasn’t off a yard in either race as PN knows he can’t possibly win roound there so he uses it for a prep race for his end of season target.
2 years back he was interviewed just before the QMCC and said he thought Twist Magic was more of a Aintree horse…didn’t bother me MM was my biggest bet of the meeting that year….If I had backed Twist Magic ew though I would have been livid…..he was within striking range of the 2nd and 3rd and never tried a leg from 4 out. Go watch!!!
He then reveresed the Cheltenham form by about 20 lengths on his next run and not one word was said……
Wonder if that was one of Ferdy’s what Lydia would have said I’m not saying PN is a crook he knows the time of day and isn’t going to have any jockey murder a horse in a race he has no chance of winning and this year won’t be any different Master Minded or not. If MM doesn’t show and Twist Magic has a crack he still won’t win…..IMO Kalahari King will reverse form with him…..that’s how much difference Cheltenham makes to Twist Magic in my book.
"………….and as Reet rightly points out he’s beat nothing….."
Hmmmmm!……..he did beat Petit Robin by three lengths more than Master Minded beat that horse in the Champion last year.
Colin
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Yes Colin, but that was on a LH track, and Petit Robin didn’t land on his nose at 4 of the last 6 fences.
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