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  • #10965
    mulls74
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    I was wondering if anyone of the fine patrons of this board armed with the appropriate software could post a list of trainers that do particularly well or badly with horses returning after a spell of 100 days or more off the track.
    If not, which software would be best to use for producing such a list.
    Thanks

    #222069
    davidbrady
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    Adrian Massey’s database should give you the info you need with a database going back to 2004

    It’s slow work though and won’t give you a breakdown of each trainers runners but it’s free and it works.

    http://adrianmassey.no-ip.org/web1/db3/dbaccess.php

    #222082
    Avatar phototbracing
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    I would say keep an eye out for Sir MIchael Stoute, his record at the start of the season bringing horses back from a break is probably the most profitable time to follow him

    #222090
    mulls74
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    Thanks a lot, knew I would get help from this forum.

    #222140
    Hugh Taylor
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    Funnily enough I did some research on this exact topic, right down to the 100-day specification, just over a year ago for atr. Obviously bear in mind this information is a year out of date as it was carried out in January 2008 but it does highlight ten trainers with excellent records in this sphere from 2000-2007 inclusive.

    http://www.attheraces.com/article.aspx? … ng&day=Thu

    #222141
    seabird
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    Thanks, Hugh.

    I think it’s Sean rather than Scott Lycett.

    Colin

    #222142
    Hugh Taylor
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    You’re absolutely right of course, Colin, not sure why I put Scott.

    #222146
    Avatar photoCav
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    UK Flat Turf Only
    Jan 2001+
    Days since last run 100 days or more
    50 qualifying runs
    LSP to £1.00

    trainer ………. wins ………. runs ………. sr% ………. lsp
    J L Dunlop ………. 90 ………. 577 ………. 15.60% ………. -33.29
    B W Hills ………. 88 ………. 552 ………. 15.94% ………. 23.31
    R Hannon ………. 38 ………. 541 ………. 7.02% ………. -148.83
    M Johnston ………. 86 ………. 529 ………. 16.26% ………. 44.05
    Sir Michael Stoute ………. 137 ………. 505 ………. 27.13% ………. 82.91
    T D Easterby ………. 17 ………. 504 ………. 3.37% ………. -301.00
    D Nicholls ………. 13 ………. 459 ………. 2.83% ………. -313.22
    R A Fahey ………. 35 ………. 409 ………. 8.56% ………. 68.75
    J M Bradley ………. 12 ………. 371 ………. 3.23% ………. -118.00
    Saeed Bin Suroor ………. 90 ………. 368 ………. 24.46% ………. -44.06
    M R Channon ………. 28 ………. 367 ………. 7.63% ………. -163.17
    J H M Gosden ………. 80 ………. 359 ………. 22.28% ………. 55.59
    Mrs A J Perrett ………. 43 ………. 327 ………. 13.15% ………. -32.22
    M W Easterby ………. 11 ………. 307 ………. 3.58% ………. -164.25
    M A Jarvis ………. 58 ………. 293 ………. 19.80% ………. 90.30
    P F I Cole ………. 23 ………. 287 ………. 8.01% ………. -92.13
    J R Fanshawe ………. 47 ………. 279 ………. 16.85% ………. -18.46
    E A L Dunlop ………. 39 ………. 276 ………. 14.13% ………. -56.82
    M H Tompkins ………. 17 ………. 275 ………. 6.18% ………. -116.55
    B J Meehan ………. 24 ………. 269 ………. 8.92% ………. -67.06
    W M Brisbourne ………. 8 ………. 258 ………. 3.10% ………. -115.50
    K A Ryan ………. 20 ………. 257 ………. 7.78% ………. -34.23
    J G Given ………. 17 ………. 243 ………. 7.00% ………. -27.52
    D R C Elsworth ………. 21 ………. 242 ………. 8.68% ………. -25.83
    W J Haggas ………. 50 ………. 236 ………. 21.19% ………. 21.89
    A M Balding ………. 14 ………. 234 ………. 5.98% ………. -106.08
    L M Cumani ………. 37 ………. 233 ………. 15.88% ………. -47.89
    R Charlton ………. 34 ………. 227 ………. 14.98% ………. -25.99
    M L W Bell ………. 35 ………. 224 ………. 15.63% ………. 35.67
    T D Barron ………. 23 ………. 215 ………. 10.70% ………. 22.14
    J S Goldie ………. 14 ………. 214 ………. 6.54% ………. -12.00
    K R Burke ………. 7 ………. 207 ………. 3.38% ………. -106.50
    M P Tregoning ………. 33 ………. 204 ………. 16.18% ………. 5.46
    M Dods ………. 17 ………. 203 ………. 8.37% ………. 2.13
    A Berry ………. 10 ………. 201 ………. 4.98% ………. 23.91
    B Smart ………. 11 ………. 197 ………. 5.58% ………. -12.75
    H Morrison ………. 30 ………. 196 ………. 15.31% ………. 87.75
    J J Quinn ………. 9 ………. 195 ………. 4.62% ………. -76.25
    G A Butler ………. 23 ………. 187 ………. 12.30% ………. -26.00
    Miss L A Perratt ………. 6 ………. 185 ………. 3.24% ………. -55.00
    W R Muir ………. 4 ………. 181 ………. 2.21% ………. -145.90
    B R Millman ………. 9 ………. 181 ………. 4.97% ………. -104.39
    G A Swinbank ………. 12 ………. 180 ………. 6.67% ………. -45.00
    H R A Cecil ………. 34 ………. 174 ………. 19.54% ………. 19.29
    P W Harris ………. 15 ………. 173 ………. 8.67% ………. -3.00
    G L Moore ………. 6 ………. 173 ………. 3.47% ………. -67.50
    C F Wall ………. 13 ………. 161 ………. 8.07% ………. -54.29
    N Tinkler ………. 3 ………. 159 ………. 1.89% ………. -126.50
    H Candy ………. 24 ………. 156 ………. 15.38% ………. 41.41
    E J Alston ………. 12 ………. 155 ………. 7.74% ………. -16.50
    G Wragg ………. 17 ………. 155 ………. 10.97% ………. -44.47
    A W Carroll ………. 2 ………. 154 ………. 1.30% ………. -126.50
    C E Brittain ………. 8 ………. 153 ………. 5.23% ………. -74.13
    B Ellison ………. 6 ………. 151 ………. 3.97% ………. -87.75
    I Semple ………. 10 ………. 150 ………. 6.67% ………. -5.50
    J S Wainwright ………. 2 ………. 149 ………. 1.34% ………. -92.00
    J Noseda ………. 15 ………. 148 ………. 10.14% ………. -16.31
    J W Hills ………. 12 ………. 148 ………. 8.11% ………. -25.75
    R M Beckett ………. 15 ………. 146 ………. 10.27% ………. 64.08
    S Kirk ………. 5 ………. 145 ………. 3.45% ………. -72.50
    Sir Mark Prescott ………. 29 ………. 144 ………. 20.14% ………. -10.47
    C G Cox ………. 10 ………. 140 ………. 7.14% ………. -26.00
    R Hollinshead ………. 6 ………. 133 ………. 4.51% ………. -12.00
    P J Makin ………. 13 ………. 131 ………. 9.92% ………. -14.29
    N P Littmoden ………. 2 ………. 130 ………. 1.54% ………. -112.00
    P D Evans ………. 7 ………. 128 ………. 5.47% ………. -33.00
    Rae Guest ………. 8 ………. 127 ………. 6.30% ………. -46.00
    P C Haslam ………. 7 ………. 127 ………. 5.51% ………. -69.75
    R M Whitaker ………. 6 ………. 125 ………. 4.80% ………. -29.75
    J Akehurst ………. 6 ………. 122 ………. 4.92% ………. -37.50
    W R Swinburn ………. 6 ………. 122 ………. 4.92% ………. -49.00
    J D Bethell ………. 5 ………. 121 ………. 4.13% ………. -68.50
    D W Barker ………. 3 ………. 120 ………. 2.50% ………. -61.00
    W J Musson ………. 7 ………. 118 ………. 5.93% ………. -2.25
    P W Chapple-Hyam ………. 20 ………. 118 ………. 16.95% ………. -14.28
    S C Williams ………. 4 ………. 117 ………. 3.42% ………. -88.00
    J A Osborne ………. 12 ………. 117 ………. 10.26% ………. -26.64
    Mrs A Duffield ………. 2 ………. 112 ………. 1.79% ………. -75.00
    Mrs M Reveley ………. 5 ………. 111 ………. 4.50% ………. -82.40
    J R Best ………. 5 ………. 110 ………. 4.55% ………. 4.50
    B Palling ………. 5 ………. 108 ………. 4.63% ………. 30.75
    T G Mills ………. 10 ………. 107 ………. 9.35% ………. 4.52
    J Howard Johnson ………. 12 ………. 107 ………. 11.21% ………. -0.88
    M Blanshard ………. 3 ………. 105 ………. 2.86% ………. 9.00
    D A Nolan ………. 0 ………. 103 ………. 0.00% ………. -103.00
    P A Blockley ………. 6 ………. 103 ………. 5.83% ………. -13.50
    J A R Toller ………. 8 ………. 100 ………. 8.00% ………. -26.17
    W Jarvis ………. 8 ………. 98 ………. 8.16% ………. -38.67
    I A Wood ………. 2 ………. 97 ………. 2.06% ………. -77.00
    M Brittain ………. 3 ………. 97 ………. 3.09% ………. -16.00
    J M P Eustace ………. 3 ………. 95 ………. 3.16% ………. -49.00
    G G Margarson ………. 2 ………. 94 ………. 2.13% ………. -75.50
    N A Callaghan ………. 3 ………. 92 ………. 3.26% ………. -71.50
    J L Spearing ………. 7 ………. 92 ………. 7.61% ………. 50.00
    J R Jenkins ………. 6 ………. 89 ………. 6.74% ………. 16.50
    J R Weymes ………. 1 ………. 86 ………. 1.16% ………. -69.00
    N Bycroft ………. 1 ………. 86 ………. 1.16% ………. -77.50
    I A Balding ………. 5 ………. 86 ………. 5.81% ………. -41.50
    Ian Williams ………. 4 ………. 85 ………. 4.71% ………. -38.40
    R E Barr ………. 2 ………. 84 ………. 2.38% ………. -39.00
    P Monteith ………. 2 ………. 82 ………. 2.44% ………. -54.00
    Jedd O’Keeffe ………. 1 ………. 81 ………. 1.23% ………. -60.00
    Mrs P N Dutfield ………. 3 ………. 81 ………. 3.70% ………. -53.50
    J G M O’Shea ………. 3 ………. 81 ………. 3.70% ………. -30.50
    R J Hodges ………. 3 ………. 81 ………. 3.70% ………. -27.00
    A P Jarvis ………. 5 ………. 80 ………. 6.25% ………. -44.75
    Micky Hammond ………. 2 ………. 80 ………. 2.50% ………. -52.00
    J Balding ………. 0 ………. 79 ………. 0.00% ………. -79.00
    A Bailey ………. 1 ………. 77 ………. 1.30% ………. -51.00
    G M Moore ………. 0 ………. 76 ………. 0.00% ………. -76.00
    A P O’Brien ………. 10 ………. 76 ………. 13.16% ………. -21.00
    K G Reveley ………. 6 ………. 75 ………. 8.00% ………. 35.75
    W G M Turner ………. 1 ………. 75 ………. 1.33% ………. -24.00
    D R Loder ………. 18 ………. 75 ………. 24.00% ………. 22.38
    G B Balding ………. 1 ………. 75 ………. 1.33% ………. -41.00
    John Berry ………. 6 ………. 74 ………. 8.11% ………. 20.50
    Miss Gay Kelleway ………. 3 ………. 74 ………. 4.05% ………. -21.00
    Mrs J R Ramsden ………. 3 ………. 73 ………. 4.11% ………. -38.50
    D W P Arbuthnot ………. 5 ………. 73 ………. 6.85% ………. 3.00
    Lady Herries ………. 9 ………. 73 ………. 12.33% ………. -7.92
    B G Powell ………. 4 ………. 72 ………. 5.56% ………. -18.17
    D Carroll ………. 3 ………. 71 ………. 4.23% ………. -1.50
    R F Johnson Houghton ………. 4 ………. 70 ………. 5.71% ………. -44.00
    P R Chamings ………. 7 ………. 70 ………. 10.00% ………. 18.00
    A King ………. 9 ………. 70 ………. 12.86% ………. -20.75
    C W Fairhurst ………. 1 ………. 69 ………. 1.45% ………. -43.00
    J S Moore ………. 2 ………. 66 ………. 3.03% ………. -54.50
    E J O’Neill ………. 2 ………. 65 ………. 3.08% ………. -41.38
    J Hetherton ………. 1 ………. 65 ………. 1.54% ………. 36.00
    D K Ivory ………. 4 ………. 64 ………. 6.25% ………. 17.00
    M Mullineaux ………. 2 ………. 64 ………. 3.13% ………. 63.00
    R J Price ………. 3 ………. 63 ………. 4.76% ………. -1.00
    T P Tate ………. 8 ………. 62 ………. 12.90% ………. 32.50
    R Bastiman ………. 3 ………. 62 ………. 4.84% ………. -29.75
    D Shaw ………. 1 ………. 62 ………. 1.61% ………. -43.00
    J G Portman ………. 2 ………. 62 ………. 3.23% ………. -20.00
    A C Stewart ………. 15 ………. 62 ………. 24.19% ………. 8.67
    J A Glover ………. 2 ………. 61 ………. 3.28% ………. 16.00
    J R Boyle ………. 2 ………. 61 ………. 3.28% ………. -31.00
    N Wilson ………. 1 ………. 61 ………. 1.64% ………. -44.00
    E S McMahon ………. 5 ………. 60 ………. 8.33% ………. -23.00
    B A McMahon ………. 6 ………. 60 ………. 10.00% ………. 32.94
    A G Newcombe ………. 1 ………. 59 ………. 1.69% ………. -49.00
    Mrs G S Rees ………. 0 ………. 58 ………. 0.00% ………. -58.00
    P W Hiatt ………. 0 ………. 58 ………. 0.00% ………. -58.00
    W S Kittow ………. 5 ………. 58 ………. 8.62% ………. -13.50
    Mrs C A Dunnett ………. 0 ………. 58 ………. 0.00% ………. -58.00
    S Dow ………. 2 ………. 57 ………. 3.51% ………. -35.00
    W Storey ………. 0 ………. 57 ………. 0.00% ………. -57.00
    J J Bridger ………. 0 ………. 56 ………. 0.00% ………. -56.00
    M S Saunders ………. 2 ………. 55 ………. 3.64% ………. -25.50
    Andrew Turnell ………. 2 ………. 53 ………. 3.77% ………. -23.00
    J A Geake ………. 3 ………. 53 ………. 5.66% ………. -1.50
    John A Harris ………. 3 ………. 53 ………. 5.66% ………. 16.00
    C R Egerton ………. 4 ………. 52 ………. 7.69% ………. 0.75
    P W D’Arcy ………. 4 ………. 52 ………. 7.69% ………. -9.00
    C W Thornton ………. 1 ………. 52 ………. 1.92% ………. -46.50
    T J Etherington ………. 1 ………. 52 ………. 1.92% ………. -45.00
    H J Collingridge ………. 1 ………. 51 ………. 1.96% ………. -25.00
    B Hanbury ………. 5 ………. 51 ………. 9.80% ………. -24.75
    I W McInnes ………. 1 ………. 51 ………. 1.96% ………. -34.00
    J W Payne ………. 1 ………. 50 ………. 2.00% ………. -41.00

    #222166
    carvillshill
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    Fantastic CR, many thanks.

    #222170
    apracing
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    • Total Posts 4009

    Nice one Cav – interesting to see how the P/L figures in that list reinforce so many prejudices.

    Hannon, the Easterbys, Dandy Nicholls avoid at all costs, Hughie Morrison a master of the first time out winner.

    #222172
    davidbrady
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    • Total Posts 3901

    I ran a query using the Adrian Massey site for the period 2004-2008 using the following criteria:

    Horses are running on turf this time out and last run was at least 91 days ago (last run could have been on AW)

    The results don’t give a breakdown for any trainer who hasn’t had at least 10 runners who meet the criteria.

    Only 1 trainer has shown a LSP in EVERY year from 2004-2008

    And that man is Henry Cecil!

    Every single other trainer with at least 10 runners has shown a loss in at least one year between 2004 – 2008

    Taking the 10 trainers Hugh highlighted in his article, some of the results for 2008 are quite scary (all to level-stakes):

    Michael Stoute – loss of 26.34pts
    Michael Harvis – profit of 15.61pts
    John Gosden – loss of 1.12pts
    Mark Johnston – loss of 32.37pts
    Barry Hills – loss of 23.31pts
    Richard Fahey – loss of 42.62pts
    William Haggas – loss of 3.50pts
    Henry Candy – profit of 19.24pts
    Hughie Morrison – profit of 9.38pts
    Ralph Beckett – loss of 5.99pts

    Hopefully I’ve gotten the stats right there!

    Obviously you can take a long-term view with this and indeed there is no guarantee that Henry Cecil will show a LSP in 2009 but it’s worth considering before anyone dives in (as I used to do in my younger days before I decided to do a bit of research myself)!

    #222238
    Avatar photoSimonD
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    • Total Posts 52

    That’s fascinating stuff – I would never think of John Dunlop to be at the top. Then again, he seems to be a trainer who’s really gone off the radar, as such, in the last few years. It would be great to see him have some big winners this year, although I have no idea what he has in, in the way of good horses.

    #222287
    Avatar photoCav
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    UK + IRE TRAINERS

    CHASES


    DAYS SINCE LAST RUN 100+
    40 QUALIFYING RUNS
    LSP to £1
    JAN 1st 2000+

    Trainer ………. Wins ………. Runs ………. SR% ………. LSP
    P F Nicholls ………. 166 ………. 540 ………. 30.74% ………. 75.18
    Jonjo O’Neill ………. 62 ………. 411 ………. 15.09% ………. -111.72
    Miss Venetia Williams ………. 58 ………. 380 ………. 15.26% ………. -67.58
    Ferdy Murphy ………. 34 ………. 352 ………. 9.66% ………. -142.43
    P J Hobbs ………. 63 ………. 346 ………. 18.21% ………. -44.17
    M C Pipe ………. 59 ………. 298 ………. 19.80% ………. 22.80
    N A Twiston-Davies ………. 64 ………. 285 ………. 22.46% ………. 43.14
    N J Henderson ………. 80 ………. 271 ………. 29.52% ………. 71.60
    A L T Moore ………. 22 ………. 250 ………. 8.80% ………. -108.18
    Noel Meade ………. 38 ………. 243 ………. 15.64% ………. -9.13
    R H Alner ………. 38 ………. 238 ………. 15.97% ………. -14.24
    Miss H C Knight ………. 46 ………. 235 ………. 19.57% ………. -12.54
    Mrs S J Smith ………. 32 ………. 212 ………. 15.09% ………. -4.58
    J Howard Johnson ………. 35 ………. 208 ………. 16.83% ………. -20.09
    H D Daly ………. 30 ………. 205 ………. 14.63% ………. -4.82
    A King ………. 30 ………. 194 ………. 15.46% ………. -2.62
    T R George ………. 20 ………. 188 ………. 10.64% ………. -79.17
    A J Martin ………. 15 ………. 179 ………. 8.38% ………. -62.21
    P R Webber ………. 21 ………. 168 ………. 12.50% ………. 3.98
    D E Pipe ………. 28 ………. 165 ………. 16.97% ………. 25.34
    K C Bailey ………. 19 ………. 161 ………. 11.80% ………. -20.75
    Ian Williams ………. 27 ………. 157 ………. 17.20% ………. -8.20
    W P Mullins ………. 25 ………. 155 ………. 16.13% ………. -41.70
    Evan Williams ………. 22 ………. 130 ………. 16.92% ………. 11.33
    N G Richards ………. 33 ………. 128 ………. 25.78% ………. 14.02
    E J O’Grady ………. 16 ………. 128 ………. 12.50% ………. -65.37
    C J Mann ………. 16 ………. 126 ………. 12.70% ………. 28.83
    Mrs John Harrington ………. 12 ………. 124 ………. 9.68% ………. -66.16
    C L Tizzard ………. 12 ………. 119 ………. 10.08% ………. -2.25
    Miss Lucinda V Russell ………. 8 ………. 118 ………. 6.78% ………. -20.00
    G L Moore ………. 12 ………. 114 ………. 10.53% ………. -19.95
    J W Mullins ………. 4 ………. 114 ………. 3.51% ………. -95.67
    M Todhunter ………. 16 ………. 111 ………. 14.41% ………. -11.51
    O Sherwood ………. 15 ………. 109 ………. 13.76% ………. -49.60
    B G Powell ………. 9 ………. 107 ………. 8.41% ………. -58.76
    R Rowe ………. 12 ………. 104 ………. 11.54% ………. 31.85
    P Bowen ………. 11 ………. 101 ………. 10.89% ………. -11.67
    Miss E C Lavelle ………. 16 ………. 100 ………. 16.00% ………. -7.05
    R Lee ………. 9 ………. 100 ………. 9.00% ………. -30.88
    Michael Hourigan ………. 7 ………. 97 ………. 7.22% ………. -15.77
    P Beaumont ………. 5 ………. 97 ………. 5.15% ………. -66.09
    D T Hughes ………. 2 ………. 97 ………. 2.06% ………. -74.00
    Heather Dalton ………. 13 ………. 97 ………. 13.40% ………. -12.30
    Paul Nolan ………. 7 ………. 96 ………. 7.29% ………. -33.75
    L Lungo ………. 24 ………. 94 ………. 25.53% ………. 12.48
    R Dickin ………. 7 ………. 94 ………. 7.45% ………. 43.50
    C Roche ………. 12 ………. 89 ………. 13.48% ………. -18.03
    F Flood ………. 8 ………. 89 ………. 8.99% ………. -10.75
    R C Guest ………. 7 ………. 84 ………. 8.33% ………. -32.25
    J A B Old ………. 9 ………. 84 ………. 10.71% ………. -8.50
    C F Swan ………. 6 ………. 84 ………. 7.14% ………. -56.85
    R H Buckler ………. 4 ………. 83 ………. 4.82% ………. -47.50
    R Ford ………. 9 ………. 81 ………. 11.11% ………. -15.67
    M W Easterby ………. 5 ………. 80 ………. 6.25% ………. -22.00
    Mrs M Reveley ………. 11 ………. 78 ………. 14.10% ………. -15.39
    M Pitman ………. 11 ………. 76 ………. 14.47% ………. -10.90
    J M Jefferson ………. 9 ………. 75 ………. 12.00% ………. 1.38
    Micky Hammond ………. 7 ………. 75 ………. 9.33% ………. -8.88
    W J Burke ………. 5 ………. 74 ………. 6.76% ………. -29.39
    C C Bealby ………. 15 ………. 73 ………. 20.55% ………. 105.75
    M F Morris ………. 9 ………. 72 ………. 12.50% ………. 7.48
    E Sheehy ………. 10 ………. 71 ………. 14.08% ………. -24.67
    P A Fahy ………. 3 ………. 71 ………. 4.23% ………. -44.00
    R T Phillips ………. 9 ………. 71 ………. 12.68% ………. 22.50
    K Bishop ………. 8 ………. 70 ………. 11.43% ………. 0.80
    T D Easterby ………. 4 ………. 69 ………. 5.80% ………. -20.50
    T J Taaffe ………. 11 ………. 69 ………. 15.94% ………. -9.28
    J Wade ………. 5 ………. 68 ………. 7.35% ………. -14.50
    C Grant ………. 3 ………. 68 ………. 4.41% ………. -35.25
    E Bolger ………. 8 ………. 66 ………. 12.12% ………. -9.00
    G M Moore ………. 6 ………. 64 ………. 9.38% ………. -34.88
    John J Walsh ………. 2 ………. 64 ………. 3.13% ………. -47.00
    N J Gifford ………. 10 ………. 64 ………. 15.63% ………. 4.75
    R J Hodges ………. 4 ………. 64 ………. 6.25% ………. -41.83
    J R Cornwall ………. 1 ………. 63 ………. 1.59% ………. -58.50
    P J Rothwell ………. 4 ………. 63 ………. 6.35% ………. -2.00
    Ms F M Crowley ………. 5 ………. 61 ………. 8.20% ………. -28.25
    D McCain Jnr ………. 5 ………. 59 ………. 8.47% ………. -36.13
    C R Egerton ………. 15 ………. 58 ………. 25.86% ………. 7.69
    V T O’Brien ………. 1 ………. 58 ………. 1.72% ………. -37.00
    T M Walsh ………. 11 ………. 58 ………. 18.97% ………. -0.57
    Eugene M O’Sullivan ………. 1 ………. 56 ………. 1.79% ………. -52.00
    John R Upson ………. 6 ………. 56 ………. 10.71% ………. -12.17
    Robert Tyner ………. 5 ………. 56 ………. 8.93% ………. -10.50
    A Parker ………. 6 ………. 55 ………. 10.91% ………. 0.50
    M Sheppard ………. 6 ………. 55 ………. 10.91% ………. -7.67
    C Byrnes ………. 2 ………. 55 ………. 3.64% ………. -47.25
    S Flook ………. 2 ………. 55 ………. 3.64% ………. -29.67
    P Monteith ………. 8 ………. 54 ………. 14.81% ………. 21.28
    Mrs L Williamson ………. 5 ………. 54 ………. 9.26% ………. 28.58
    S A Brookshaw ………. 4 ………. 53 ………. 7.55% ………. -14.88
    J J Lambe ………. 2 ………. 52 ………. 3.85% ………. 0.00
    D R Gandolfo ………. 6 ………. 51 ………. 11.76% ………. -23.00
    D P Keane ………. 8 ………. 51 ………. 15.69% ………. 3.50
    Mrs D M Grissell ………. 5 ………. 50 ………. 10.00% ………. -3.63
    John Joseph Murphy ………. 1 ………. 50 ………. 2.00% ………. -24.00
    R Johnson ………. 1 ………. 50 ………. 2.00% ………. -47.25
    Nick Williams ………. 6 ………. 50 ………. 12.00% ………. -2.75
    E McNamara ………. 2 ………. 50 ………. 4.00% ………. -21.00
    M Scudamore ………. 5 ………. 49 ………. 10.20% ………. 6.00
    B J M Ryall ………. 6 ………. 49 ………. 12.24% ………. 30.00
    M F Harris ………. 3 ………. 49 ………. 6.12% ………. 1.50
    N J Hawke ………. 0 ………. 48 ………. 0.00% ………. -48.00
    F Doumen ………. 3 ………. 48 ………. 6.25% ………. -28.00
    N B Mason ………. 3 ………. 46 ………. 6.52% ………. -34.13
    Joseph Crowley ………. 1 ………. 46 ………. 2.17% ………. -31.00
    Peter McCreery ………. 0 ………. 46 ………. 0.00% ………. -46.00
    D McCain ………. 5 ………. 46 ………. 10.87% ………. -8.00
    Andrew Turnell ………. 6 ………. 46 ………. 13.04% ………. -14.17
    V R A Dartnall ………. 9 ………. 45 ………. 20.00% ………. -8.63
    Dr P Pritchard ………. 1 ………. 45 ………. 2.22% ………. -33.00
    Miss S E Forster ………. 2 ………. 45 ………. 4.44% ………. -23.00
    Mrs L B Normile ………. 0 ………. 44 ………. 0.00% ………. -44.00
    D L Williams ………. 4 ………. 44 ………. 9.09% ………. -19.00
    S E H Sherwood ………. 3 ………. 44 ………. 6.82% ………. -18.00
    Gerard Keane ………. 2 ………. 44 ………. 4.55% ………. -23.00
    J T R Dreaper ………. 5 ………. 43 ………. 11.63% ………. 2.00
    P Hughes ………. 3 ………. 43 ………. 6.98% ………. -25.58
    Henry De Bromhead ………. 5 ………. 43 ………. 11.63% ………. 17.75
    J M Turner ………. 4 ………. 43 ………. 9.30% ………. -30.47
    J D Frost ………. 5 ………. 42 ………. 11.90% ………. 8.50
    M Bradstock ………. 7 ………. 42 ………. 16.67% ………. 7.37
    Noel T Chance ………. 12 ………. 41 ………. 29.27% ………. 3.81
    M J P O’Brien ………. 11 ………. 41 ………. 26.83% ………. 17.30
    Mrs S C Bradburne ………. 1 ………. 41 ………. 2.44% ………. -31.00
    J T Gifford ………. 3 ………. 41 ………. 7.32% ………. -24.43
    S Donohoe ………. 5 ………. 41 ………. 12.20% ………. 9.50
    F-M Cottin ………. 3 ………. 41 ………. 7.32% ………. -21.30
    A C Whillans ………. 3 ………. 41 ………. 7.32% ………. 6.00
    P Winkworth ………. 3 ………. 41 ………. 7.32% ………. -20.00
    K G Reveley ………. 4 ………. 41 ………. 9.76% ………. -16.63
    Carl Llewellyn ………. 7 ………. 41 ………. 17.07% ………. -8.42
    L Wells ………. 3 ………. 40 ………. 7.50% ………. -15.38
    H P Hogarth ………. 6 ………. 40 ………. 15.00% ………. -0.50
    N R Mitchell ………. 5 ………. 40 ………. 12.50% ………. 75.00
    P R Rodford ………. 0 ………. 40 ………. 0.00% ………. -40.00

    #222289
    Avatar photoCav
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    UK + IRE TRAINERS

    HURDLES


    DAYS SINCE LAST RUN 100+
    40 QUALIFYING RUNS
    LSP to £1
    JAN 1st 2003+

    Trainer ………. Wins ………. Runs ………. SR% ………. LSP
    P J Hobbs ………. 73 ………. 429 ………. 17.02% ………. 23.79
    Jonjo O’Neill ………. 66 ………. 409 ………. 16.14% ………. -134.26
    P F Nicholls ………. 67 ………. 335 ………. 20.00% ………. -71.84
    Noel Meade ………. 48 ………. 325 ………. 14.77% ………. -94.87
    N J Henderson ………. 86 ………. 300 ………. 28.67% ………. 101.16
    A King ………. 55 ………. 293 ………. 18.77% ………. 151.32
    J Howard Johnson ………. 51 ………. 280 ………. 18.21% ………. 17.92
    Miss Venetia Williams ………. 35 ………. 258 ………. 13.57% ………. -51.45
    Paul Nolan ………. 15 ………. 251 ………. 5.98% ………. -138.48
    M C Pipe ………. 34 ………. 250 ………. 13.60% ………. -52.85
    N G Richards ………. 41 ………. 246 ………. 16.67% ………. -7.57
    Mrs S J Smith ………. 22 ………. 240 ………. 9.17% ………. 25.58
    L Lungo ………. 18 ………. 213 ………. 8.45% ………. -81.06
    Evan Williams ………. 24 ………. 211 ………. 11.37% ………. -68.56
    Mrs John Harrington ………. 8 ………. 207 ………. 3.86% ………. -115.00
    A J Martin ………. 15 ………. 198 ………. 7.58% ………. -113.21
    Ian Williams ………. 8 ………. 198 ………. 4.04% ………. -107.90
    Ferdy Murphy ………. 10 ………. 194 ………. 5.15% ………. -93.64
    N A Twiston-Davies ………. 39 ………. 193 ………. 20.21% ………. 38.57
    Michael Hourigan ………. 10 ………. 191 ………. 5.24% ………. -103.25
    D E Pipe ………. 14 ………. 190 ………. 7.37% ………. -126.30
    W P Mullins ………. 26 ………. 183 ………. 14.21% ………. -51.12
    R T Phillips ………. 7 ………. 178 ………. 3.93% ………. -125.14
    P J Rothwell ………. 7 ………. 177 ………. 3.95% ………. -54.00
    C F Swan ………. 13 ………. 176 ………. 7.39% ………. -57.79
    G L Moore ………. 23 ………. 173 ………. 13.29% ………. -26.14
    D T Hughes ………. 12 ………. 172 ………. 6.98% ………. -87.21
    Miss H C Knight ………. 12 ………. 155 ………. 7.74% ………. 8.11
    E J O’Grady ………. 12 ………. 154 ………. 7.79% ………. -76.08
    C J Mann ………. 18 ………. 153 ………. 11.76% ………. 5.91
    A L T Moore ………. 9 ………. 151 ………. 5.96% ………. -86.00
    P Bowen ………. 15 ………. 149 ………. 10.07% ………. -72.11
    B G Powell ………. 10 ………. 146 ………. 6.85% ………. -43.63
    H D Daly ………. 13 ………. 145 ………. 8.97% ………. -69.98
    J W Mullins ………. 7 ………. 142 ………. 4.93% ………. -65.80
    E McNamara ………. 3 ………. 136 ………. 2.21% ………. -106.50
    T R George ………. 22 ………. 129 ………. 17.05% ………. 20.35
    J A B Old ………. 5 ………. 129 ………. 3.88% ………. -67.75
    J D Frost ………. 8 ………. 125 ………. 6.40% ………. -16.70
    E Sheehy ………. 8 ………. 125 ………. 6.40% ………. -80.33
    Miss E C Lavelle ………. 22 ………. 120 ………. 18.33% ………. 15.83
    R C Guest ………. 4 ………. 119 ………. 3.36% ………. -66.00
    T J Taaffe ………. 13 ………. 116 ………. 11.21% ………. -44.22
    C Roche ………. 15 ………. 114 ………. 13.16% ………. -41.18
    K C Bailey ………. 5 ………. 112 ………. 4.46% ………. -57.25
    Miss Lucinda V Russell ………. 7 ………. 110 ………. 6.36% ………. 14.25
    P R Webber ………. 9 ………. 109 ………. 8.26% ………. 25.75
    R H Alner ………. 11 ………. 108 ………. 10.19% ………. -35.29
    P Hughes ………. 5 ………. 106 ………. 4.72% ………. -59.40
    P A Fahy ………. 1 ………. 105 ………. 0.95% ………. -98.50
    D McCain Jnr ………. 7 ………. 105 ………. 6.67% ………. -41.65
    C Byrnes ………. 6 ………. 105 ………. 5.71% ………. -34.53
    O Sherwood ………. 9 ………. 102 ………. 8.82% ………. -29.52
    F Flood ………. 6 ………. 100 ………. 6.00% ………. -57.00
    Heather Dalton ………. 9 ………. 99 ………. 9.09% ………. 27.00
    V T O’Brien ………. 0 ………. 99 ………. 0.00% ………. -99.00
    M Todhunter ………. 9 ………. 98 ………. 9.18% ………. 2.69
    John Joseph Murphy ………. 3 ………. 97 ………. 3.09% ………. -57.00
    C J Down ………. 2 ………. 96 ………. 2.08% ………. -69.00
    J J Lambe ………. 1 ………. 96 ………. 1.04% ………. -70.00
    Mrs A M Thorpe ………. 7 ………. 93 ………. 7.53% ………. 39.00
    Seamus Fahey ………. 3 ………. 92 ………. 3.26% ………. -62.60
    M J P O’Brien ………. 8 ………. 92 ………. 8.70% ………. -37.40
    C A Murphy ………. 9 ………. 91 ………. 9.89% ………. -43.50
    S J Mahon ………. 6 ………. 88 ………. 6.82% ………. 1.50
    R Dickin ………. 2 ………. 88 ………. 2.27% ………. -80.50
    D J Wintle ………. 2 ………. 87 ………. 2.30% ………. -72.50
    K G Reveley ………. 8 ………. 86 ………. 9.30% ………. -30.42
    Mrs L Wadham ………. 10 ………. 86 ………. 11.63% ………. -8.75
    M Scudamore ………. 5 ………. 85 ………. 5.88% ………. 33.00
    Carl Llewellyn ………. 11 ………. 85 ………. 12.94% ………. 8.88
    R H Buckler ………. 5 ………. 84 ………. 5.95% ………. -45.77
    M W Easterby ………. 5 ………. 84 ………. 5.95% ………. -55.25
    M Halford ………. 10 ………. 83 ………. 12.05% ………. -7.43
    V R A Dartnall ………. 15 ………. 83 ………. 18.07% ………. 12.35
    M F Harris ………. 6 ………. 82 ………. 7.32% ………. -20.29
    John G Carr ………. 4 ………. 81 ………. 4.94% ………. -65.67
    James Moffatt ………. 0 ………. 80 ………. 0.00% ………. -80.00
    J M Jefferson ………. 6 ………. 79 ………. 7.59% ………. -4.89
    G M Moore ………. 3 ………. 79 ………. 3.80% ………. -55.00
    Noel T Chance ………. 12 ………. 79 ………. 15.19% ………. 6.63
    N J Gifford ………. 13 ………. 79 ………. 16.46% ………. -8.00
    Mrs L B Normile ………. 1 ………. 78 ………. 1.28% ………. -72.00
    M F Morris ………. 2 ………. 78 ………. 2.56% ………. -65.50
    N J Hawke ………. 3 ………. 77 ………. 3.90% ………. -37.00
    D R Gandolfo ………. 3 ………. 74 ………. 4.05% ………. -3.00
    A W Carroll ………. 3 ………. 74 ………. 4.05% ………. -45.50
    C R Egerton ………. 11 ………. 74 ………. 14.86% ………. -6.88
    Joseph Crowley ………. 3 ………. 73 ………. 4.11% ………. -42.00
    Mrs D A Hamer ………. 4 ………. 72 ………. 5.56% ………. -12.50
    M A Barnes ………. 0 ………. 72 ………. 0.00% ………. -72.00
    Micky Hammond ………. 4 ………. 71 ………. 5.63% ………. -45.00
    A C Whillans ………. 1 ………. 71 ………. 1.41% ………. -50.00
    R Rowe ………. 5 ………. 70 ………. 7.14% ………. -27.75
    J Mackie ………. 3 ………. 69 ………. 4.35% ………. -44.00
    C L Tizzard ………. 8 ………. 68 ………. 11.76% ………. 43.00
    J L Spearing ………. 5 ………. 68 ………. 7.35% ………. -28.50
    Gerard Keane ………. 1 ………. 68 ………. 1.47% ………. -63.50
    Anthony Mullins ………. 5 ………. 67 ………. 7.46% ………. -48.40
    R Ford ………. 6 ………. 67 ………. 8.96% ………. -25.25
    S Gollings ………. 4 ………. 66 ………. 6.06% ………. -0.43
    J C Tuck ………. 4 ………. 66 ………. 6.06% ………. -35.00
    P Monteith ………. 3 ………. 66 ………. 4.55% ………. -29.00
    R J Hodges ………. 5 ………. 65 ………. 7.69% ………. -1.90
    Gerard Cully ………. 0 ………. 65 ………. 0.00% ………. -65.00
    C P Morlock ………. 0 ………. 63 ………. 0.00% ………. -63.00
    C C Bealby ………. 3 ………. 63 ………. 4.76% ………. -18.00
    Patrick O Brady ………. 2 ………. 62 ………. 3.23% ………. -32.00
    M J Gingell ………. 0 ………. 62 ………. 0.00% ………. -62.00
    J G M O’Shea ………. 3 ………. 61 ………. 4.92% ………. -51.88
    J Wade ………. 2 ………. 61 ………. 3.28% ………. -28.00
    S Donohoe ………. 3 ………. 61 ………. 4.92% ………. -40.00
    D P Keane ………. 3 ………. 61 ………. 4.92% ………. -32.75
    M Rolland ………. 4 ………. 60 ………. 6.67% ………. -56.00
    A M Hales ………. 5 ………. 60 ………. 8.33% ………. -3.25
    D W Whillans ………. 2 ………. 60 ………. 3.33% ………. -52.89
    Donal Hassett ………. 1 ………. 60 ………. 1.67% ………. -45.00
    F Jordan ………. 2 ………. 59 ………. 3.39% ………. -40.00
    F P Murtagh ………. 2 ………. 59 ………. 3.39% ………. -37.00
    Thomas Foley ………. 4 ………. 58 ………. 6.90% ………. -10.38
    Jennie Candlish ………. 0 ………. 58 ………. 0.00% ………. -58.00
    John R Upson ………. 1 ………. 58 ………. 1.72% ………. -48.00
    Miss S E Forster ………. 3 ………. 58 ………. 5.17% ………. -27.50
    Gordon Elliott ………. 3 ………. 58 ………. 5.17% ………. -39.27
    D Burchell ………. 1 ………. 57 ………. 1.75% ………. 10.00
    R Johnson ………. 1 ………. 57 ………. 1.75% ………. -44.00
    Timothy Doyle ………. 4 ………. 57 ………. 7.02% ………. -14.75
    R Lee ………. 4 ………. 57 ………. 7.02% ………. -28.30
    Mrs P Sly ………. 4 ………. 57 ………. 7.02% ………. 7.00
    S T Lewis ………. 0 ………. 57 ………. 0.00% ………. -57.00
    C Grant ………. 1 ………. 56 ………. 1.79% ………. -37.00
    R A Fahey ………. 4 ………. 55 ………. 7.27% ………. -42.25
    Ms F M Crowley ………. 4 ………. 55 ………. 7.27% ………. -6.00
    K Bishop ………. 3 ………. 55 ………. 5.45% ………. -14.50
    P D Niven ………. 3 ………. 54 ………. 5.56% ………. 2.00
    H Rogers ………. 2 ………. 54 ………. 3.70% ………. -36.50
    R J Price ………. 0 ………. 54 ………. 0.00% ………. -54.00
    P C Haslam ………. 2 ………. 53 ………. 3.77% ………. -44.17
    Jim Best ………. 6 ………. 53 ………. 11.32% ………. 1.70
    Henry De Bromhead ………. 3 ………. 53 ………. 5.66% ………. -17.00
    Niall Madden ………. 1 ………. 53 ………. 1.89% ………. -48.50
    Eoin Doyle ………. 6 ………. 53 ………. 11.32% ………. 24.50
    T G McCourt ………. 0 ………. 52 ………. 0.00% ………. -52.00
    L Young ………. 1 ………. 52 ………. 1.92% ………. -1.00
    D K Weld ………. 8 ………. 52 ………. 15.38% ………. -17.45
    J Bertran De Balanda ………. 3 ………. 52 ………. 5.77% ………. -40.50
    O Brennan ………. 2 ………. 51 ………. 3.92% ………. 43.00
    Philip Fenton ………. 4 ………. 51 ………. 7.84% ………. -29.67
    A E Jones ………. 1 ………. 50 ………. 2.00% ………. -41.00
    W J Burke ………. 6 ………. 49 ………. 12.24% ………. -19.50
    B De Haan ………. 3 ………. 49 ………. 6.12% ………. -28.27
    C Roberts ………. 3 ………. 49 ………. 6.12% ………. -18.00
    S C Burrough ………. 0 ………. 49 ………. 0.00% ………. -49.00
    W G M Turner ………. 1 ………. 49 ………. 2.04% ………. -42.00
    L Corcoran ………. 2 ………. 48 ………. 4.17% ………. -9.67
    B J Llewellyn ………. 3 ………. 48 ………. 6.25% ………. -29.50
    R Donohoe ………. 2 ………. 48 ………. 4.17% ………. -32.00
    J J Quinn ………. 6 ………. 48 ………. 12.50% ………. 9.75
    M Pitman ………. 7 ………. 48 ………. 14.58% ………. -4.50
    G A Harker ………. 5 ………. 48 ………. 10.42% ………. -24.67
    M E Sowersby ………. 3 ………. 47 ………. 6.38% ………. 11.00
    Thomas Cooper ………. 6 ………. 47 ………. 12.77% ………. 6.23
    Mrs K Walton ………. 2 ………. 47 ………. 4.26% ………. 16.00
    G A Swinbank ………. 5 ………. 47 ………. 10.64% ………. -22.67
    T Hogan ………. 1 ………. 47 ………. 2.13% ………. -39.00
    D McCain ………. 2 ………. 47 ………. 4.26% ………. -8.00
    L A Dace ………. 0 ………. 47 ………. 0.00% ………. -47.00
    Mrs E Slack ………. 2 ………. 47 ………. 4.26% ………. -17.00
    Tim Vaughan ………. 3 ………. 46 ………. 6.52% ………. -26.13
    Eoin Griffin ………. 5 ………. 46 ………. 10.87% ………. -20.30
    J A Geake ………. 4 ………. 46 ………. 8.70% ………. -10.25
    Mrs P Robeson ………. 1 ………. 46 ………. 2.17% ………. -43.00
    T D Easterby ………. 2 ………. 45 ………. 4.44% ………. -28.00
    F-M Cottin ………. 2 ………. 45 ………. 4.44% ………. -43.00
    D Broad ………. 0 ………. 45 ………. 0.00% ………. -45.00
    Miss Kate Milligan ………. 2 ………. 45 ………. 4.44% ………. -34.00
    Mrs K Waldron ………. 2 ………. 45 ………. 4.44% ………. -35.50
    Mrs S C Bradburne ………. 0 ………. 44 ………. 0.00% ………. -44.00
    S J Treacy ………. 0 ………. 44 ………. 0.00% ………. -44.00
    C Tinkler ………. 7 ………. 43 ………. 16.28% ………. -14.40
    Thomas Mullins ………. 1 ………. 43 ………. 2.33% ………. -36.50
    I Madden ………. 3 ………. 43 ………. 6.98% ………. -5.00
    Miss Elizabeth Doyle ………. 2 ………. 43 ………. 4.65% ………. -16.00
    Martin Brassil ………. 3 ………. 43 ………. 6.98% ………. -10.75
    Edward Cawley ………. 2 ………. 42 ………. 4.76% ………. -12.00
    Miss Suzy Smith ………. 4 ………. 42 ………. 9.52% ………. -20.13
    Jarlath P Fahey ………. 1 ………. 42 ………. 2.38% ………. -36.50
    K A Morgan ………. 0 ………. 42 ………. 0.00% ………. -42.00
    Michael McElhone ………. 0 ………. 42 ………. 0.00% ………. -42.00
    Adrian Maguire ………. 3 ………. 41 ………. 7.32% ………. -18.50
    M Flannery ………. 0 ………. 41 ………. 0.00% ………. -41.00
    Robert Tyner ………. 1 ………. 41 ………. 2.44% ………. -37.25
    Miss A M Newton-Smith ………. 1 ………. 41 ………. 2.44% ………. -20.00
    M Sheppard ………. 3 ………. 41 ………. 7.32% ………. -14.00
    S Lycett ………. 2 ………. 40 ………. 5.00% ………. -20.50
    Patrick Martin ………. 0 ………. 40 ………. 0.00% ………. -40.00

    #222301
    douginho
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    • Total Posts 1046

    Without being a party pooper, I think all figures on this thread should be treated as helpful not gospel.

    I seem to remember from my Uni days (Statistics course) that in any meaningful study of random figures (such as this) you should remove what is none as "outliers" – outcomes that go against all the other outcomes.

    In this case I refer to long and short priced winners. To make these figures more useful you’d really have to remove say the 5 longest and 5 shortest priced winners for each trainer and re-run the figures (I am not offering by the way, lol). I am guessing you might get a far different set of results. This helps to remove those random 33-1, 40-1, 100-1 winners that are invariable skewing the figures a bit.

    #222335
    davidbrady
    Member
    • Total Posts 3901

    I ran a query using the Adrian Massey site for the period 2004-2008 using the following criteria:

    Horses are running on turf this time out and last run was at least 91 days ago (last run could have been on AW)

    Only 1 trainer has shown a LSP in EVERY year from 2004-2008

    And that man is Henry Cecil!

    Just to put my money where my mouth is – I backed Cecil’s 3 runners who were returning to the track after breaks of > 90 days – none were placed. Of course he did have a 14/1 winner with 3yo colt having it’s racecourse debut, which needless to say, went unbacked by me!

    #222368
    Avatar photoSimonD
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    • Total Posts 52

    Same here. I backed Native Ruler and On Our Way and was a bit gutted when neither won.

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