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How would you feel this morning if you lived in the area and had seen your property being allowed to be reduced to a pile of rubble?
It appears all we have now is policing by CCTV – wait for the crime to happen – however serious – and maybe do something about it afterwards. Should that ever be deemed acceptable?
Whatever they may say politicians don’t give two hoots as long as it is not on their doorstep.
Im not sure exactly what the point is but my blame is with the "rioters" .
what will be depressingly familiar will be the crap that this is down to "spending cuts" (Livingstone) and the rioters "musnt be demonised" (the Guardian). but 90% of the country will no be so thick as to swallow that rubbish and that will be another own goal for the left
Either way, this could also kick off a wave of racist feeling. of course the areas identified do have something in common as any londoner knows, but this is killing the prospects for a whole section of that community that wants nothing whatsoever to do with this. It is absolutely dire in every way
Im not sure exactly what the point is but my blame is with the "rioters" .
what will be depressingly familiar will be the crap that this is down to "spending cuts" (Livingstone) and the rioters "musnt be demonised" (the Guardian). but 90% of the country will no be so thick as to swallow that rubbish and that will be another own goal for the left
Either way, this could also kick off a wave of racist feeling. of course the areas identified do have something in common as any londoner knows, but this is killing the prospects for a whole section of that community that wants nothing whatsoever to do with this. It is absolutely dire in every way
Police cost money, you know, Clivexx. And wouldn’t that be a big no-no with you? "What’s mine’s mine" and all that. Would you mind a return to the social conditions of Hogarth’s day? Your favoured political persuasion has been leading us along that path.
CliveX is spot on.
It’s laughable to hear the coalition cuts being blamed for the anger of the "rioters". Rather like blaming the architects of the Heysel Stadium for the rioting and deaths there all those years ago. Can’t have individuals taking any responsibility for their own actions now can we? Dear me no, has to be down to poverty, unemployment, boredom, government cuts etc. Those poor impoverished looters/rioters will all go home their satellite TVs, Laptops/PCs and HD TVs and spout claptrap about their being disenfranchised or the "new poor". And there will be plenty of "useful idiots" in the media peddling that tripe too.Thats a silly comment grimes…
Yes….must admit i am finding this disgusting in the extreme. Unfortunately this will lead to a backlash agaisnt a whole community, which will be more than unfair. I think there will be real hatred from a huge section of the population now. Sick of the lazy macho gun worshipping insolent stupid culture of too many
Fact is that the rioting has happened in the expected areas, Not the "racial minority" areas of southall, whitechapel, new malden and stamford hill
Although everything that is happening is disgusting don’t you find it "interesting" that there have been no "live" pictures from up in the air shown now for nearly 2 hours?
All we see is furniture shop in Croydon and some other "new" footage where there is still daylight depite it being dark for the last 2 hours?
Doeas anyone else think the media is being controlled tonight in terms of playing down in London what may actually be happening?
Also, don’t know if its co-incedence but googled real news, found a sitre where London is lead story and tried to go to the detail yet I get "not responding" despite everything else on web being fine.
Not a conspiracy theorist at all but "intrigued" by all these co-incedences…..
Yorkiedip
Amazing scenes as we watch the delicate fabric of society break completely down in London!! I am flabbergasted at how badly equipped the capital of England is to deal with such rioting, shocking really!!
Seen a good few bookies been destroyed in all of this, every cloud!!
The kids (and it looks largely like young teenagers) involved didn’t start out life like that though. Our society created them. That is what needs to be addressed.
And, as economic conditions toughen then civil unrest will increase, history shows that time and again.
No easy anwers – calls to ‘bring in the army’ as though that will magically sort it all out are naive.
Cant agree cormack
This society gives jobs, free education and relative to many countries. wealth
im not sure that someone whos lots his whole livlihood will be too interested in hand wringing "its all our own fault" explanations
i think he would have been happier to see the police open fire.
Title says it all.
No proper live footage for 2.5 hours now and BBC news is being very "careful" in how it is reporting developments all over the capital.
Any TRF members based in the capital who can indicate anything that the news channels can’t seem to be perhaps "able" to outline at the moment?
yorkiedips
Cormack
Agree with you completely…sorry Clive.
I’m relatively priviliged middle class and had the opportunity for good education….Ken Liv (Who I don’t really like by the way) summed it up when he said he’d been to a college in Hackney and 50% yes thats 50% of young adults who attended said they were prob going to have to give up their course due to EMA being scrapped.
If you don’t give young people hope through being able to educate themselves to get out of where they were born into then you can not create aspiration or hope. This leads to the civil unrest we are seeing tonight.
yorkiedips
I’m a stones throw from the clapham riots in a house by myself at the moment. Scared isn’t the word…
From what i’m getting lots of fire and theft and police stretched to the limit. sounds like they need to break the crowds up. Not sure why they haven’t tried firing blanks or something
Yes it is, and the root of it is young and black – the rest are just making the best of what opportunity they have presented them with, and it’s escalated into a free-for-all.
I live five minutes walk from Hackney town hall.
Scrap ‘operation Trident’ and stop pandering to these numbskulls. This is what happens when you do. When are the police and government going to realise that you can’t win by bending over.
‘The Voice’, a self proclaimed ‘black newspaper’, actually have a poll asking if the riots are justified? Incredible.
Yorkie – I’d take the 50% give up education ‘cos EMA has been scrapped with a pinch of salt. Most of those responding in such a way are simply playing to the audience. It’s a laugh for kids to play the hard-done by victim, when the reality is that:-
a) Those most in need of financial support to remain in full time education can still get that support. (I’m sure our politicians will make it a complicated process though).
b) Many of those bemoaning the removal of EMA don’t actually need it; they’re just annoyed at having a perk removed.
My wife works in a further education college and knows that many of the kids on courses there only turn up to register their attendance so that they would qualify for their EMA. They then clear off and learnt nowt. We, the taxpayers are the suckers paying this dosh to the mainly unneedy and unworthy.
My daughter has just completed her secondary education and received EMA. She would still have remained in education had EMA never existed and so would all her friends who also received it. They just treated it as pocket money.
(One girl got the maximum ‘cos she was looked after by a single parent – her divorced mum. All the time her nearby father was handing her mum dollops of cash each week on the quiet so that her mum still got maximum benefits (housing/child support etc and her lass got the EMA.)
EMA was just as much an encouragement for the thick and the lazy to avoid having to look for work as it was a real boon to those genuinenly in need. It was meant to seem a benevolent act by our spendthrift, imprudent political masters. It kept youth unemployment figures lower than it might have been (surely not a calculated political ruse by G. Brown?)
Target the real needy kids that want to continue their education and give them all the financial help they need. Don’t waste those resources by chucking millions at kids who don’t really need it.
And please, don’t fall for all the smart-ass "it’s ‘cos my EMA’s been stopped innit" guff that can be heard.
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