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timeform increased the price by 16% on their race passes, from £60to£70 for 28 day’s’ that some increase!
timeform increased the price by 16% on their race passes, from £60to£70 for 28 day’s’ that some increase!
There is no excuse for a 16% rise, none. I hope people vote with their feet.
Computer Timeform for this new NH year has actually gone down in price as they offer May free of charge, provided you elect to pay by monthly direct debit for the rest of 2011/12
timeform increased the price by 16% on their race passes, from £60to£70 for 28 day’s’ that some increase!
Their racecards and other publication are still same price.
Their subscription charges are £10 for 1 day, £35 for 1 week (7days) or £70 for 4 weeks (28 days).
To be fair to Timeform though, how long have they’ve been at £60 for 28 days? Surely they have the right to eventually increase their prices.
I like only free stuff… JVC (just very crap) is not for me .. ..
Each to their own Gobro, but Timeform is not crap. I only use it for big occasions as an entire season is out of my budget, but its given me quite a few winners in the past under both codes and probably give me some to come.
I was a bit dismayed when told Timeform don’t do part seasons anymore for Perspective, just yearly.
Then found out I can pay £90 to start with (start of May), then instalments of £45 monthly from June.
By stopping the Direct Debit at the end of October I only pay £315 instead of around £600 per year.
I have been thinking of going over to Race Passes or Computer Timeform. Have any TRFers gone over to Race Passes or Computer Timeform from Perspective? And how does it compare / is it better / is it worth the extra cost?
Your opinions would be appreciated.
Value Is EverythingI was a bit dismayed when told Timeform don’t do part seasons anymore for Perspective, just yearly.
Then found out I can pay £90 to start with (start of May), then instalments of £45 monthly from June.
By stopping the Direct Debit at the end of October I only pay £315 instead of around £600 per year.
I have been thinking of going over to Race Passes or Computer Timeform. Have any TRFers gone over to Race Passes or Computer Timeform from Perspective? And how does it compare / is it better / is it worth the extra cost?
Your opinions would be appreciated.
Your own opinion is what you depend on to create your 100% books surely Ginger,so why are you so obsessed with Timeform? Why would anybody pay £600 a year for something that offers no more than the Sporting Life and Racing Post Web sites do for free.
I do use my own knowledge as well as Timeform. Am not obsessed with them at all Kingfisher, just appreciate what they do and defend them when needs be. Information provided by sportinglife and racingpost is simply not accurate enough to produce a good tissue. All imo.
Value Is EverythingInformation provided by sportinglife and racingpost is simply not accurate enough to produce a good tissue. All imo.
Really! So bearing in mind your tissue is quite simply your own opinion on things anyway,what does it actually achieve in the scheme of winner finding other than your favourite for a race might differ from someone elses?
Kingfisher, making a tissue should involve getting as much information as possible, Timeform is a useful tool, but not the only one. If you made an accurate tissue you should be able to see where the value lies, which might or might not be the best horse in your opinion.
Ginger in making your tissue do you rate the following,
Trainer,
Jockey,
Distance,
Going,
Overall Form &
Recent FormBecause according to Mark Cotton Book on value betting this is the way to study a race?
Exactly Red Rum. Timeform is a useful tool produced by extremely knowledgable and experienced people who, collectively, can analyse and interpret a volume of races/horses in a way that no one individual can hope to.
There’s no doubt that as quality information has become more widely available (as KF points out through RP/SL, etc) Timeform may not be as indispensable as it perhaps once was but it is still very useful (commentarys on each horse perhaps more so than the ratings which I’d doubt provide any real edge in themselves).
Value for money? That’s an individual judgement which depends, I guess, on how you use it.
GT,
I used to have Computer TF and got on ok with it for my purposes, but had to switch to Race Passes when I got a new lap top (Comp TF not supported on modern equipment!). I find them very easy to use and depending on what you want, there is plenty of information there.
As a research tool they have their limitations, but from a day to day punting perspective they are fine (easy to use, all perspective comments on the same page, in-running prices, racing styles etc).
It’s hard to break away from the old paper Perspective, but the time may have come!
Kingfisher, making a tissue should involve getting as much information as possible, Timeform is a useful tool, but not the only one. If you made an accurate tissue you should be able to see where the value lies, which might or might not be the best horse in your opinion.
Ginger in making your tissue do you rate the following,
Trainer,
Jockey,
Distance,
Going,
Overall Form &
Recent FormBecause according to Mark Cotton Book on value betting this is the way to study a race?
Ok so you ‘Tissue’ makers want to waste/spend an hour or so going through a race just to see what prices you come up with that differ from those that are available from all bookmakers who actually employ their own odds compilers.Why? Bearing in mind you are only influencing yourselves with your own biased opinion anyway. Take this weeks Lockinge as an example,i have just clicked onto Oddschecker, spent all of one minute looking at all the prices available (saving me from creating my own tissue) and the ‘Value’ bet jumps off the page at me
Cityscape
at 14/1,if any of the forecast rain arrives he will be single figures and dont tell me Canford Cliffs is Value at 4/6 either!
I have been thinking of going over to Race Passes or Computer Timeform. Have any TRFers gone over to Race Passes or Computer Timeform from Perspective? And how does it compare / is it better / is it worth the extra cost?
I moved from Perspective to CT soon after the latter was introduced in the mid-90s. Although I missed the ‘involving’ tactility produced by leafing through one-inch slabs of A4 with thimbled fingers for a while, it soon became clear that digging through a formbook is one hell of a lot quicker on screen than on paper
Price-wise CT is about 10% more than Perspective I think, and considering it’s not only the Perspective but the Black Book and Racecards too, gotta be worth it: time saved alone is the extra brass well spent
I’ve had numerous run-ins with them regarding CT’s functionality, not least its lack of export facilities, so note well: unlike Raceform Interactive, racecards and ratings cannot be exported to a spreadsheet
Why it takes them so long to make CT compatible with new versions of Windows I don’t know. By the time they made it Vista compatible, uncompatible Windows 7 had been released
I’ve not used Timeform properly – bar the racecards and the Irish section of the Flat Annual I don’t subscribe but for me the best value subscription in racing is two fold and I know these won’t be of use to most people but the Weatherby’s Loose Leaf with all the P2P form, comments in running, paddock notes etc is immense value at a shade over £200 (plus a free copy of the McKenzie and Harris bible) and the Irish Point To Point site subscription at around £100 is also great value to anyone spotting future talent, bumper winners etc.
Martin
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